The Goat Pen

I should've figured Crotch was using ancient numbers...

First, it was ESPN that decided to infuse their sports programming with liberal propaganda.

Then, it was the NFL that decided to let their players disrespect the flag, the national anthem, and the country on tv.

Then it was Dick's sporting goods that decided to stop selling guns.

All these business lost a ton of money by going out of their way to piss off their own customer base.

Then it was Gillette that decided to attack their customers with charges of "toxic masculinity." Surprise surprise, Gillette's parent company P&G just devalued Gillette by $8 billion.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-proc ... SKCN1UP1AD

"If you get woke, you go broke."

P&G is still looking strong to me and my bank account. Why do you lie? Must be the yellow haired racist pushing your button.

Jungle Rat wrote:P&G is still looking strong to me and my bank account. Why do you lie? Must be the yellow haired racist pushing your button.

P&G is doing well, but one of its subsidiaries - Gillette - is not. Gillette lost $8 billion in value since their idiotic commercial. I trust you understand the difference.

Also, calling Trump, or anybody else, a racist, is now meaningless. It used to mean people who believe one race is inherently inferior to another. Check any dictionary. But the Left has twisted into anything they don’t like. Do you have weeds on your lawn? Then those weeds are racist. Did somebody have a wreck on your route to work, which made you late? Then that wreck was racist. Did your computer get a virus? Then it was a racist virus. Etc etc etc.

Idiot

CNN says there’s even robot racism!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

There is probably racist bee-keeping, racist Christmas trees, racist furniture, racist wart removal, racist golf swings, etc etc etc.

The words “racist” and “racism” are the linguistic heroin of the Left.

This country is going to hell.

This nation's unwillingness to address the mental health crisis we have by properly planning, funding, implementing and managing a mental health system that identifies, treats and records mental health issues reared its head in the form of mass shootings twice yesterday...TWICE!!!!!

I have no doubt that the hateful rhetoric the permeates society fueled the shooters' madness, but the real issue is the mental health crisis our nation has on its hands.

Until such time as we address these issues, require waiting periods and background checks -- for the purchase of firearms and ammunition -- that include a national mental health database, and learn to act with civility, our nation will continue to endure these senseless tragedies. If these measures are not undertaken, we will have extreme measures implemented. The ultra-right is unwilling to understand that though, and the far-left is equally unwilling to compromise.

It's all up to Trump to stop the bullshit hate in all his tweets from his morning shit. It's horrible. 250 mass shootings in only 216 days. The buck stops at his desk. Plain and simple. Do something Mr. President. He was probably out golfing when El Paso happened and probably in a Seriquil induced sleep while the guy in Dayton killed his own sister and a bunch more. The Dayton one hurts more because that's just up the highway from us. Sad.

Shootings during the Trump Administration ------ It's all Trump's fault.

Shootings during the Obummer Administration....... It's all Bush's fault.

Liberal logic

About a month ago while at the Morehead Wal Mart, as I was going down an isle, I notice two couples were conversing. As I got closer, I noticed one of the men had a 9 mm holstered on his belt. My first thought was 'buddy, if there's a mass shooting, I want to be close to you'.

Fact is you'll never stop some crazed looney from killing someone if that's their sole intent, not matter how many guns you confiscate. You can't stop the shootings but you sure can limit the amount of carnage. Every law abiding citizen should be packing everywhere they go these days. Drop these idiots in their tracks asap.

This shit all started ramping up in terms of rhetoric way before Trump. It all started when the news media and politicos discovered the adrenaline rush of a news cycle fueled by a mix of gun control racial war rhetoric in the aftermath of the death of Trayvon Martin in 2012 and thats been the script for us as a culture since then, we just move on from one gun crisis and race crisis to the next since that point.

DooKSucks wrote:This nation's unwillingness to address the mental health crisis we have by properly planning, funding, implementing and managing a mental health system that identifies, treats and records mental health issues reared its head in the form of mass shootings twice yesterday...TWICE!!!!!

I have no doubt that the hateful rhetoric the permeates society fueled the shooters' madness, but the real issue is the mental health crisis our nation has on its hands.

Until such time as we address these issues, require waiting periods and background checks -- for the purchase of firearms and ammunition -- that include a national mental health database, and learn to act with civility, our nation will continue to endure these senseless tragedies. If these measures are not undertaken, we will have extreme measures implemented. The ultra-right is unwilling to understand that though, and the far-left is equally unwilling to compromise.

a waiting period isn't going to solve anything - I doubt you could count on one hand the number of mass shooters who impulse bought a gun and went on a shooting spree. Its usually planned out, however fucked up it is, on their part. Background checks might reduce it but unless we're willing to say you can't buy a gun with a mental health flag on your record (which I doubt would even be in an accessible database) then by and large mass shootings aren't tied to felons which the background check is intended to catch. I agree with you that mental health is a serious concern

I just don't know how you can stop anyone intent on killing people - take away their gun they will run down a crowd in a car , or make a fertilizer bomb, because like I said - these people really have one thing in common - its planned with the most mass destruction they can come up with without any concern of whether they walk away from it.

crotch wrote:Shootings during the Trump Administration ------ It's all Trump's fault.

Shootings during the Obummer Administration....... It's all Bush's fault.

Liberal logic

Look at the fucking numbers genius.

aTm wrote:This shit all started ramping up in terms of rhetoric way before Trump. It all started when the news media and politicos discovered the adrenaline rush of a news cycle fueled by a mix of gun control racial war rhetoric in the aftermath of the death of Trayvon Martin in 2012 and thats been the script for us as a culture since then, we just move on from one gun crisis and race crisis to the next since that point.

And Trump knew that and fueled that with his morning toilet tweets

eCat wrote:

DooKSucks wrote:This nation's unwillingness to address the mental health crisis we have by properly planning, funding, implementing and managing a mental health system that identifies, treats and records mental health issues reared its head in the form of mass shootings twice yesterday...TWICE!!!!!

I have no doubt that the hateful rhetoric the permeates society fueled the shooters' madness, but the real issue is the mental health crisis our nation has on its hands.

Until such time as we address these issues, require waiting periods and background checks -- for the purchase of firearms and ammunition -- that include a national mental health database, and learn to act with civility, our nation will continue to endure these senseless tragedies. If these measures are not undertaken, we will have extreme measures implemented. The ultra-right is unwilling to understand that though, and the far-left is equally unwilling to compromise.

a waiting period isn't going to solve anything - I doubt you could count on one hand the number of mass shooters who impulse bought a gun and went on a shooting spree. Its usually planned out, however fucked up it is, on their part. Background checks might reduce it but unless we're willing to say you can't buy a gun with a mental health flag on your record (which I doubt would even be in an accessible database) then by and large mass shootings aren't tied to felons which the background check is intended to catch. I agree with you that mental health is a serious concern

I just don't know how you can stop anyone intent on killing people - take away their gun they will run down a crowd in a car , or make a fertilizer bomb, because like I said - these people really have one thing in common - its planned with the most mass destruction they can come up with without any concern of whether they walk away from it.

E. In Ohio, you can't own a weapon if you have a marijuana card. Yet you can drink like a fish and shoot your sister like last nights KID did. It's bullshit. I can't own a gun anyway because of my past, although I do. But how pathetic is it that you can't get a card and own a gun?

Potheads are the least of my worries when it comes to guns. Alcoholics are.

DeGrasse Tyson is catching hell but he's right. Of course, you can't put a metric on emotion and of course people are going to be emotional about people getting shot up in public places or worse, children getting slaughtered.

But the number of deaths by mass shootings are far lower than a lot of other causes. Just like the number of deaths on 9/11 really weren't that many, certainly not to cause the upheaval it has in our country for nearly 20 years.

With this 8chan manifesto the El Paso shooter posted, I’m still convinced as always that there is a parallel with the beginnings of widespread use of the internet and Columbine and years after. Not video gaming, but the message boards/twitter groups attract like minded disgruntled people that spur each other on with the justification of their grievances. Before that, if you were wacko, you were a bit isolated from other wackos and thus hesitant to act.

I was telling my son at lunch, just like I've said here many times

handguns kill so many more people than assault rifles - like its not even percentile close, and thats not even counting suicides

its emotional and horrible when this happens but its a knee jerk reaction to call for gun control over this and ignore the gun deaths that happen daily. No one called for gun control on Thursday when 100 Americans died from gunshot, or for the 100 that died on Wednesday, or Tuesday or Monday......

The reason people won't call for gun control over those is because they know its a lose/lose situation to tell people you are going to take away a handgun, because people that believe they need handguns will fight for them - they literally believe their lives and the lives of their loved ones depend on them having one.

I agree with DS that mental health is the single biggest common denominator in mass shootings.

The idea of a database isn’t a bad one, but there are some problems with it. First, if a psych patient sees a psychiatrist, there are doctor-patient confidentiality laws. Also, if the word gets out among mentally ill people that their care-givers will be required by law to report them, those people are less likely to seek help they need.

Finally, the rules for identifying people who are to be considered so mentally ill that they shouldn’t have a gun must be VERY carefully drafted and VERY carefully monitored. It can’t be turned into a situation where being a conservative or a Republican or a Trump voter means you are automatically a threat, and can’t own a gun. And it certainly can’t morph into another FISA-type debacle.