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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:32 pm
by aTm
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Wow. "Patriarchy has no gender" is maybe the most amazing case of Orwellian doublethink or doublespeak or whatever that I've ever seen.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:53 pm
by Professor Tiger
If you want to see some full on Orwellian double think, double speak, gobbledygook, and linguistic nitwittery, check this out. This is real, straight off the Netroots website. This not the Onion..
Racialized Communities Inclusion

Racism, antiBlackness and Indigenous erasure exist so commonly in our lives that even the most politically conscious individuals can perpetuate harm. Here are some tips on how to be an ally:

Assume BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color)/Sunkissed people are not available to teach you about their cultures, struggles and experiences without payment.
Remember that everything we are doing is on stolen land and these imposed borders hold thousands of distinct Indigenous nations.
The Indigneous peoples whose land we occupy are still here. They and their cultures are not props, mascots or novelties.
All people who are not white do not have the same experiences, struggles and histories. Do not lump BIPOC/Sunkissed peoples into a grouping and do not use the positions of one person to
challenge the position of another.
While efforts to overcome the challenges of oppression across communities are real, it is important to understand that all communities can perpetuate antiBlackness, including nonBlack
POC.
Racism is embedded in our culture and not always easy to discern. If someone points out your racist behavior, stay calm and listen. Examine your behavior and identify solutions, rather
than defending yourself and your actions.
Respecting boundaries is important. Ask people if they want to be touched or interacted with before doing so. This includes clothes, hair and possessions.
Don’t assume the culture of other groups by speaking like them or engaging in behavior that is not natural to you.
Accept discomfort. Equality feels like oppression to those who have lived with privilege.
Accept exclusion. As people from BIPOC/Sunkissed communities have been and continue to be disempowered in our systems, they can experience harm in white-centered environments
and may need to be away from those who have been closer to the power.
If you see racism, counter it. Step in and carry as much of that burden as you can.
Recognize that you may not recognize and understand terms, behaviors and approaches of people from other cultures. When you see people engaging in and enjoying things that are
culturally different from you, don’t gawk. Other’s cultures are NOT a source of entertainment.
Respect that people experience different levels of oppression based on their intersectional identities. We do not have to compare oppressions to learn from the plights of others.

Transgender & Gender Nonbinary Inclusion

Do not assume anyone’s gender, even people you may have met in the past. A person’s external appearance may not match their internal gender identity. Pay attention to a person’s purposeful gender expression. It’s polite to ask: “What is your name and pronouns?” before assuming and using pronouns or gendered words. And when you learn pronouns, make sure to use them every time. When addressing or speaking about a group, use gender inclusive language like folks, y’all, everyone or guests instead of gendered terms such as you guys or ladies and gentlemen.

One way of acknowledging transgender and gender nonbinary people’s needs is to designate restrooms as gender neutral. In bathrooms, many transgender and gender nonbinary people face harassment, so please let everyone pee in peace regardless of whether or not they are in a gender neutral bathroom. We have designated some bathrooms in the convention space as gender neutral. You can find them outside Caucus Room 123, Screening Series Room 117 and Training Room 120A.

Listen respectfully to transgender and gender nonbinary people’s stories if they are volunteered, but please don’t ask unnecessary questions. Respectful allies who learn from and with transgender and gender nonbinary people and then educate others are important for successful transgender and gender nonbinary liberation.

Bi/Pan/Fluid/Queer (Bi+) Inclusion

Being openly supportive of the bi+ community creates a space where we can all be our full selves. Here are some pointers on being an ally:

Use inclusive language. Instead of “gay rights” or “gay marriage” try “equal rights” and “marriage equality.”
Respect people’s privacy and boundaries. Accept you might never fully understand someone else’s sexuality.
Sexualities outside the exclusively homosexual/heterosexual binary are often erased and delegitimized, so bi/pan/fluid/queer people usually have to repeatedly come out. Many face similar discrimination as gays and lesbians with regard to issues like job security and healthcare.
Do not insist that a gender non-conforming/trans person or their partners discard their identity label.
Recognize that the way specific relationships function is independent of sexual orientation. Be positive about all relationships—monogamous, polyamorous, or anything else.

https://www.netrootsnation.org/inclusion-etiquette/
In addition to "LGBTQQHRK...", we are now supposed to add to our vocabularies the terms "BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color)/Sunkissed people" and 'Indigenous erasure' and "antiBlackness" and "nonBlack POC" and "Bi/Pan/Fluid/Queer (Bi+)"

You just can't make this stuff up. Copies of this should go to every voter in PA, MI, and WI, asking them if this is what they want in 2020.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:20 pm
by eCat
I saw where AOC is claiming that Pelosi is burying her in work to keep her out of the spotlight

I also read a report where Pelosi is being interviewed and she basically dismisses AOC as someone who equates twitter usage to having power in Congress and reminds her she represents a total of roughly 4 votes in the house.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:59 pm
by crotch
AOC is a total moron. Thankful that she's a Democarat and a continual embarrassment to that party.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:58 pm
by Jungle Rat
I think Nancy is worse for America

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:20 am
by Professor Tiger
Every time I hear AOC, she reminds me of this (except Cher is more intelligent than AOC):

[youtube]YvqD0N4kxbw[/youtube]

AOC also reminds me of Miss South Carolina (except Miss South Carolina is more intelligent than AOC):

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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:55 am
by hedge
North Korea is Orwellian. Anything AOC or some fringe group of LBGQXYZ-whatever or antifa or the NRA or any other individual or organization in America says or does is not Orwellian. But you'd actually have to have read Orwell to understand that...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:14 am
by aTm
Do you actually suspect that I have not read Orwell?

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:03 pm
by hedge
That was directed more at Prof than you, but still, I think the term "Orwellian" gets thrown about far too much in regards to situations that Orwell himself would've barely registered. I think it's disingenuous at best to apply the term to basically harmless bullshit like "the patriarchy has no gender" or whatever that bullshit Prof posted, i.e., stuff that somebody merely finds annoying (like AOC or LBGQXYC or whatever) and then acts like your own liberties are being crushed b/c of something that is mildly amusing at best and somewhat annoying at worst. That is certainly not what Orwell had in mind in his writing, he was talking about serious, for real totalitarianism and like I said, I think it's disingenuous at best to compare AOC some LGBQ rant to that...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:46 pm
by aTm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak
Doublespeak is language that deliberately obscures, disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words. Doublespeak may take the form of euphemisms (e.g. "downsizing" for layoffs and "servicing the target" for bombing),[1] in which case it is primarily meant to make the truth sound more palatable. It may also refer to intentional ambiguity in language or to actual inversions of meaning. In such cases, doublespeak disguises the nature of the truth. Doublespeak is most closely associated with political language
The term "doublespeak" originates in George Orwell's book "1984" (Nineteen Eighty-Four). Although the term is not used in the book, it is a close relative of two of the book's central concepts, "doublethink" and "Newspeak". Another variant, "doubletalk", also referring to deliberately ambiguous speech, did exist at the time Orwell wrote his book, but the usage of "doublespeak", as well as of "doubletalk", in the sense emphasizing ambiguity clearly postdates the publication of Nineteen Eighty-Four.[4][5] Parallels have also been drawn between doublespeak and Orwell's classic essay Politics and the English Language, which discusses the distortion of language for political purposes.[6] In it he observes that political language serves to distort and obfuscate reality. Orwell's description of political speech is extremely similar to the contemporary definition of doublespeak:[7]
In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible … Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness … the great enemy of clear language is insincerity. Where there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, ....
That Orwell quote may as well be directly about AOC.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:04 am
by Saint
I'd take Perot over any president since Carter. They've all been disasters

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:53 am
by eCat
dollars to donuts AOC had to look up what Patriarchy meant before she tweeted

and still failed in its context

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:50 am
by crotch
Saint wrote:I'd take Perot over any president since Carter. They've all been disasters
I voted for Ross in '92. Only time I've never voted Republican for a President.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:51 am
by Jungle Rat
So you're a dumbass

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:18 am
by hedge
AOC may be guilty of utilizing cloudy academic terminology but I think she's sincere. In fact, I'm sure she probably thinks the patriarchy is part of an Orwellian power scheme to keep women down. I don't agree with her, but it's not like she's using euphemisms to obscure her real aim. I just don't put silly academic jargon ("the patriarchy knows no gender") in the "Orwellian" category, I put it in the "trying to make yourself look smart by using academic jargon" category. Bottom line is, Orwell was writing about for-real fascism and totalitarianism. If you think that's what fringe academics in fringe humanities departments, or AOC and her fringe ideological cadre is about, you're just being paranoid. Or else you're Prof, which is worse. I'm pretty sure you could parse some literature from the NRA and label it "Orwellian" doublespeak, too, and maybe all of it technically is doublespeak, but if that's the case, so is "No, honey, that dress doesn't make you look fat at all." But if that's the case, then "Orwellian" has no meaning. But it does have meaning, and neither AOC or the NRA or "the patriarchy has no gender" is it. Not even close...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:27 am
by crotch

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:59 am
by bluetick

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:05 pm
by Jungle Rat
Yeah. He never raped minors.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:27 pm
by Saint
I'd titfuck AOC

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:18 pm
by eCat
My problem with AOC and many like her is she isn't interested in helping Americans. She is interested in helping people of color, and to be specific, I don't think she gives two shits about African Americans, she wants to ride the wave of 60m latinos in this country.

You can call Trump a racist , xenophobe or whatever but at the end of the day, his policies have been consistently about helping Americans with no bias toward color. He doesn't get up there and say I'm going to create a program to help African Americans or Latinos or whatever, just Americans

and a rising tide raises all boats.

People like AOC think America owes them something. Here she is, by all accounts a fucking moron, but she is elected to office and has become a multi-millionaire in a matter of months solely because of it. Tell me any other country where a fucking moron can become a multi-millionaire?

yet people like her don't have opportunities in this country.

and the answer is to bring in a bunch of other people from other countries who want to be Americans because they look like her

its not a question of her being sincere, its a question of her being focused solely on serving people she thinks have not been represented in this country - and her solution is to serve them at the expense of people she thinks has

Now between her way to thinking , or Booker and his lets give blacks seed money or Harris and her 100b Blacks only housing - and Trumps? You better damn well believe I'm going to vote Trump. And tell me who the racist is again.