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"and Texas voters do stuff like this"

From the article: "Her election solidified a progressive majority on the five-member governing body. She’s pledged to build a “county that works for everyone,” and, three months into her term, she hasn’t wasted any time getting started. One of her first motions after taking office in January was rescinding a rule limiting public input on a given issue to 15 minutes."

Oh the horror. Letting citizens speak on issues that concern them for more than 15 minutes? That won't do...

Saint wrote:Yeah, but Trump's totalitarianism is dictatorship. He cares not about anyone or anything but his own interests. You could argue that every other politician is like that but Trump has zero concern about Civic duty. He's a bozo but he's more of a manifestation of our problems than the cause.

Like I said, we're fucked

but what if his interests are beneficial for the country?

we have the highest employment for African Americans and Latinos in their lifetime

I'm not making Trump out to be a caring person to the masses, but I do feel pretty strongly that his form of government is the best we've had in quite some time - and that's not because I buy into any of the hyperbole about him as a person, or being an outsider or a businessman - I think its purely about just being an abrasive leader that doesn't stop to get a consensus about how to make everyone happy

If your idea of a good politician is someone that is going to get up there and talk about all the government funded benevolence they are going to provide along the lines of Warren, Sanders, Cortez and Booker - then its more about being a have not than a have because nothing is government funded, its taxpayer funded. The people buying into the progressive benevolence are promoting a transfer of wealth with politicians minding the books.

There is no fiscal responsibility whatsoever these people are promoting, not to mention their ideas about government takeover of business, our first amendment rights and to be honest, in the case of someone like Cortez, the sovereignty of our nation.

I was asking someone if anyone thought Cortez would be for open borders if there were millions of young white caucasian families like pouring over our border asking for political asylum?

At the end of the day, every politician is driven by self interest - and every progressive who is offering to be benevolent in making your life better is demanding totalitarianism in return.
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I don't think Trump's policies are beneficial to the country. There is scant proof of that right now and if the economy doesn't turn around quickly, he's going to be out on his ass and we'll have to let the Dems try again.

Saint wrote:I don't think Trump's policies are beneficial to the country. There is scant proof of that right now and if the economy doesn't turn around quickly, he's going to be out on his ass and we'll have to let the Dems try again.

if the economy doesn't turn around quickly? I got news for you, this is as good as it gets for the US economy.

Yeah, quickly. The election is next year. Still waiting for things to get better and not just for those who already have it good.

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Saint wrote:I don't think Trump's policies are beneficial to the country. There is scant proof of that right now and if the economy doesn't turn around quickly, he's going to be out on his ass and we'll have to let the Dems try again.

if the economy doesn't turn around quickly? I got news for you, this is as good as it gets for the US economy.

Then we're fucked. Better buy more bullets

the bottom line is we expect politicians to be altruistic and hold them to that standard, even though since probably the Whiskey tax of 1794 there is no history of Washington D.C politicians on the whole dedicating their lives to public office to help the man on main street.

the best you can do is vote for someone that you don't think is going to implement policies that hurt your ability to get ahead or pursue happiness. Far too many people believe that its the government 's responsibility to give them both.

its crazy that we live in a country where a politician running on a nationalism platform has had that turned into this idea of it being a public referendum on white supremacy when all he's done is put policies into place that help Americans - as in actual citizens - get ahead regardless of color, origin or nationality.

seriously, can anyone ask an American citizen say what has Donald Trump done to harm you? what rights has he taken away from you? is there any group , demographic or collection of people that have a legitimate gripe about this?

He hasnt helped the hardworking newspapermen of the country though.

Yeah, I don't expect politicians to do much but govt is the only thing keeping us from being completely ruled by money. We've been losing that battle for awhile now. Unless we change our values, our govt will continue to be a reflection of who we are.

aTm wrote:He hasnt helped the hardworking newspapermen of the country though.

Paper tariffs have been a killer

Obama wasn't a horrible president but I can say that as a middle class citizen of this country, his health care plan set me and millions of other people back to the tune of about $4K a year , his policy introduced the concept of high deductibles and mandatory health care pushed premiums up an accelerated rate for at least 2 years.

all to support about 44 million Americans - which sounds like a lot until you realize he made maybe 100 million people lives worse - not dramatically, not everyone outside those 44 million but significantly more than he helped. His approach wasn't to make health care better for everyone, his approach was to create a plan where *everyone* had the same level of health care - and the government determined what that level was , who got help and who didn't.

and then it turns out that about only 11 million of those 44 million could actually take advantage of it.

so in Obama's eyes, in order to get 1 person the bottom end of standard health care, he had to impact 10 negatively.

and Obama isn't even a progressive. I can't imagine what would happen if the Dems take over with the mindset they have now.

Trump can lick my 3 balls.

I can't say that my life is better or worse under Trump than it was Obama, Bush or Clinton. Obamacare definitely has cost me money but I will give him a little credit for trying to fix what I consider the only true national emergency going on right now. But he failed because we have been conditioned to think health care is not something everybody deserves.

Trump and the GOP don't care about fixing it. We're headed toward a major economic divide in America because that's what we want

And I'm pretty much at the point of hating everyone again, as I did throughout the 90s when I never voted. There's no politician worth a shit but Trump is a complete retard and I'd love to kick Mitch McConnell in the pussy

We were all better off financially when Clinton was in charge. If you didn't make money under his watch you weren't paying attention.

That was all due to aTM's Y2K scam

Jungle Rat wrote:We were all better off financially when Clinton was in charge. If you didn't make money under his watch you weren't paying attention.

Bill Gates had more to do with that than Bill Clinton

So when it's a dem president, it's the economy that's making him look good, but when it's a repub president, he's the one that's making the economy look good. Got it...

Saint wrote:I can't say that my life is better or worse under Trump than it was Obama, Bush or Clinton. Obamacare definitely has cost me money but I will give him a little credit for trying to fix what I consider the only true national emergency going on right now. But he failed because we have been conditioned to think health care is not something everybody deserves.

Trump and the GOP don't care about fixing it. We're headed toward a major economic divide in America because that's what we want

The only government fix is a single payer system funded by the taxpayers.

Millineals want it but they can't be honest about telling you why - and the reason is they think it will be free to them. But the need to understand simple math. They are a baby buster generation. As soon as the Boomers die off, then there aren't enough Gen X to pay for the Millineals.

We'll ultimately go to means based Social Security, Medicare to go along with means based welfare.
and a bunch of people are going to be pissed off because the 100 million are taking it in the shorts for the 20 million

hedge wrote:So when it's a dem president, it's the economy that's making him look good, but when it's a repub president, he's the one that's making the economy look good. Got it...

not really, in this case I think its quite a bit of clarity between the two.

The economy in the mid 90's was driven by the dot com boom - to the extent that if you could spell computer you got a job -and in that time, all boats were lifted by a rising tide.

The economy now is driven mostly on the speculation of how Trump is or isn't going to regulate government, how he pressures the federal reserve and American business. There isn't a single external driver to the strength of the economy like the dot com boom and the biggest contributor is the belief by the American public that we will continue to prosper. Plus, Trump did implement a tax change that put money in the pockets of the middle class (even if it turns out they aren't getting anything back in tax refunds now)

That said, you can't milk that cow forever and I believe its very likely we will be in the midst of a recession by the 2020 election.