The Goat Pen

aTm wrote:Super Bowl here we co.....huh, what!???

20 bucks to the one who guesses the correct lady grabbing his junk.

the one behind the lady in blue

Wrong. It's him.

(I only take cash or money orders...but you can PayPal me)

heh

wow tuff break with schaub

if playoffs started today houston is the 1 seed

Oh man...that's just so sad.

I can see sardis is all torn up about this.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2011 ... 111115003/

When did UC switch to Donato's? I know I got a slice of LaRosa's when I went to a game a couple of years ago.

Inquiring minds want to know!

I actually got into a bit of an argument with my wife when I was trying to explain to her about how shock can make you do certain things when you're in the midst of the fire. I said I faulted McQueary for not saying anything after all those years, when it was obvious Sandusky was still milling around PSU without any rebuke. But, coming from a somone who as a teen walked into a dorm room seeing two dudes enjoying each other and also in that same age range being in the presence of gunfire (directed at you) when you were not expecting or trained for it, it can make you do things or freeze in shock. So, I think it's easy for someone hearing the story to say all that they would have done if it were them, but you just don't know the full extent of all of your actions.

Which leads me to this section of the OTL ESPN story on McQueary...

While it isn't known what happened in the shower between McQueary and Sandusky, Turner said that given her expertise it would have been "100 percent normal" for McQueary to freeze, panic and shut down after seeing what he said he saw.

Turner said most adults have never even seen a photo of a man having sexual relations with a young boy, much less witnessed it. Further complicating things, Turner said, was the fact that Sandusky was seen as a role model in the community and someone McQueary had known nearly his entire life.

"You're trying to comprehend something your brain can't handle," Turner said. "You can't rationalize it. Compute it. Handle it. Most people turn around and walk away. And then they try to figure out, 'Oh my God. What the hell did I just see?' The people who say they would go in there and break it up? They're wrong. Nine times out of 10, that's just not how the human brain works."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... e-mcqueary

You have to be careful of humanity across the full spectrum, from the depraved to the righteously indignant. Some people will use this Penn State calamity as a means to fortify their own sense of morality; they'll look to plummet anyone they think they can link to what Sandusky apparently did, even if it's all the way down to the guy who didn't take whoever's deposition properly.

It's easy to feel outraged about the sexual abuse of a child. Duh. Your head is seriously fucked up if you aren't outraged. The trick, however, is not using a tragedy such as this as a means to eradicate some of the suspect shit that you might have you done in your own life. And that's where red flags go up for me; you can see people raising their chin in the air, trying to impress everyone else with how outraged they are about this, as if they're building up cool points or something.

its tough to give any of them a pass, even if they didn't know the extent.

but I also understand how difficult it is to go against an institution that is an icon and knowing that on some level your actions will be questioned no matter what you do.

Here McQueary goes from being a coach that Penn St probably told he did the right thing or at least implied it to seeing the governor state he had a moral obligation to act against Penn St 10 years later.

While I'm certain I couldn't have let what he saw continue if I was in his situation (in the shower), I can also see myself thinking I've done all I need to do after I stopped it and then went to JoePa - if JoePa tells me he'll take care of it or another Penn St administrator tells me "its been taken care of"

Of course if McQueary knew of more than one incident, then its a different situation altogether.

I don't believe McQueary went to the head of Penn St. security to discuss this as he has claimed in an email, an email I'm guessing he sent to an individual or group of friends that he assumed would keep that email private.

I think he intended for the email to go public.

most likely

well, I think it's obvious that something about McQueary isn't right. even his name tells us he's queer.

I didn't consider that.

I have to stop taking people at face value all the time

Joe Pa selling his house a few months ago to his wife for a $1 means he knew the shit storm was getting ready to hit the fan.

If Penn State is smart, they will totally clean house now from top to bottom in the football department. They won't till after their bowl game but it needs to be done.

I saw that, but didn't bother to read that. I would think moving it to his wife offers him little protection, since they are married. If he did it with one of his kids, then maybe I could see it. I'm not well versed on Tort law, but I would expect short of moving to Florida, his house is still able to be seized in a financial settlement regardless of whose name it's in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sport ... wanted=all

"Working off the brief mention on an Internet forum where people chatted about Penn State athletics, according to the two people with knowledge of the case, investigators narrowed their list of coaches likely to have seen something to Mike McQueary, then an assistant coach and the football program’s recruiting coordinator."

Bklyn wrote:I saw that, but didn't bother to read that. I would think moving it to his wife offers him little protection, since they are married. If he did it with one of his kids, then maybe I could see it. I'm not well versed on Tort law, but I would expect short of moving to Florida, his house is still able to be seized in a financial settlement regardless of whose name it's in.

This is also the case in Texas; your homestead is protected from financial claims following a judgement against you.

so....Kyle Orton, Redskins starting QB in 2012-13 season?

funny, I hated Tebow as a QB in college, but I hope he succeeds as a QB in the pros