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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:13 pm
by bluetick
Professor Tiger wrote:BTW, Nixon got impeached for Watergate, but nobody died there.
You got me there. Based on this new information, I may have to adjust my thinking. "Impeached, but nobody died." I mean...goddamn. That's not right. Shit.

Somebody should'a died, at least.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:34 pm
by Jungle Rat
Nixons dead

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:23 am
by bluetick
Ku Klux Klan Dreams of Rising Again 150 Years After Founding - AP 6 hrs ago

..leader Brent Waller, imperial wizard of the United Dixie White Knights in Mississippi, said stopping immigration - not blocking minority rights - is the Klan's No.1 issue today.

And other Klan leaders say Donald Trump's ascendancy in the GOP is a sign things are going their way.

"You know, we began 40 years ago saying we need to build a wall," Arkansas-based Klan leader Thomas Robb said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ku-klu ... id=U142DHP

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:42 am
by Professor Tiger
The Klan. Heh. What a collection of inbreds. But despite the giant place they occupy in the imagination of the Left, you could probably put all of them in a football stadium.

But JD says SoCal is crawling with them. They even did a night ride through an exclusive LA private school recently, armed with environmentally responsible spray paint and munching on vegan slim jims.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:14 pm
by Johnette's Daddy
Professor Tiger wrote:The Klan. Heh. What a collection of inbreds. But despite the giant place they occupy in the imagination of the Left, you could probably put all of them in a football stadium.

But JD says SoCal is crawling with them. They even did a night ride through an exclusive LA private school recently, armed with environmentally responsible spray paint and munching on vegan slim jims.
The FBI - George W. Bush's FBI - warned that the KKK and affiliated groups were infiltrating law enforcement.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/4 ... ration.pdf

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:55 pm
by AlabamAlum
I never doubt the stupidity of my fellow man.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:18 am
by sardis
If you want to make America great again....you are racist.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/28019/

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:36 am
by Toemeesleather
The one industry that has truly thrived in the Obammer economy is the race industry. Only in America.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:02 am
by Professor Tiger
The Clinton sleaze continues:
EXCLUSIVE: State Department Won’t Release Clinton Foundation Emails for 27 Months

The State Department originally estimated that 6,000 emails and other documents were exchanged by the aides with the Clinton Foundation. But a series of “errors” the department told the court about Wednesday evening now mean the total has grown to “34,116 potentially responsive documents.”

During Clinton’s four years as America’s chief foreign diplomat, her aides communicated with officials at the Clinton Foundation and Teneo Holdings where Bill Clinton was formerly both a client and paid consultant, on the average of 700 times each month, according to the Justice Department filing.

Huma Abedin simultaneously served as an employee for both Teneo and as deputy chief of staff to Clinton at the State Department in 2012, an issue which Congress has raised as a key conflict of interest.

Mills, Clinton’s chief of staff also worked at the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative while she served at the State Department.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/30/exclu ... z4DAHJdK72
I trust the Daily Caller passes muster with Tick's rigorous standards.

I also wonder how the Dem's would have reacted if Dick Cheney''s top two lieutenants had simultaneously worked for both the Vice President and for Haliburton. My guess is that they would have had a problem with that.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:49 am
by hedge
"The one industry that has truly thrived in the Obammer economy is the race industry."

I wish you'd race into the shooting range industry. As a target...

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:05 am
by Toemeesleather
Hillary Clinton’s campaign has been forced to acknowledge over the past week that the former secretary of state did not, as she had claimed, turn over all her work-related email to the State Department. The new story is that her deletion of these emails was an oversight. Team Clinton is hoping therefore that you won’t hear the story of Rajiv K. Fernando, which would suggest the oversight tale to be yet another untruth.

Don’t feel bad if you’ve never heard of Mr. Fernando, because you arguably never should have. Mr. Fernando is a one-time Chicago securities trader who in July of 2011 somehow found himself sitting on the International Security Advisory Board, with the ability to access the nation’s most sensitive intelligence.

Mr. Fernando had no background that would have qualified him to sit on the ISAB alongside the likes of former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, former Defense Secretary William Perry, a United Nations chief weapons inspector, members of Congress, and nuclear scientists. That Mr. Fernando didn’t belong was apparent. “We had no idea who he was,” one board member told ABC News. So how exactly did he get there?

We now finally know, thanks to State Department internal emails that the government was forced to turn over to the watchdog group Citizens United. And thanks to ABC News, which began digging into Mr. Fernando’s bizarre appointment when it first happened.

In August 2011, ABC requested a copy of Mr. Fernando’s resume from the State Department. This, the internal emails show, sent a press aide reeling to find answers to how a trader had ended up on the ISAB. Even the aide noted that it was “natural to ask how he got onto the board when compared to the rest of the esteemed list of members.”

The response came only a few hours later in an email from Wade Boese, chief of staff for an undersecretary of state: “The true answer is simply that S staff ( Cheryl Mills) added him,” Mr. Boese wrote. “Raj was not on the list sent to S; he was added at their insistence.”

S, in this situation, stands for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Ms. Mills, a longtime aide, was her chief of staff. Why would Hillary want to entrust the nation’s secrets to a man with no intelligence experience?

Here’s what we do know: Mr. Fernando, before his plum appointment, had given between $100,000 and $250,000 to the William J. Clinton Foundation. He had been a top bundler for Mrs. Clinton in her 2008 presidential run, and later a major Obama fundraiser. He gave tens of thousands more to a political group that helped Hillary pay off her 2008 campaign debt by renting her email list.

The 2011 emails reveal that the State Department knew it had a problem on its hands. “We must protect the Secretary’s and Under Secretary’s name,” the press aide warned. Ms. Mills, the messages say, asked staff to “stall” the news organization. Damage control came in the form of Mr. Fernando’s quick resignation, on grounds of “additional time needed to devote to his business.” Uh huh.

This is how Hillary Clinton operates.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:38 am
by Johnette's Daddy
Germany Then, America Now

https://www.laprogressive.com/polarized-america/

The movie “Cabaret” takes place in Weimar Germany, right before the rise of Hitler. In it, a baron, who is also a very rich businessman and a representative of the German establishment, assures a poor scholar, visiting from Cambridge, England: “The Nazis will take care of the communists and we’ll take care of the Nazis.” The scholar then asks the baron, “Who is we?”

A few scenes later, they are together at an outdoor pub when an angelic looking blond boy in a Hitler Youth uniform begins singing a seemingly innocuous patriotic song, “Tomorrow Belongs to Me,” which begins with serene comforting images of the German countryside but ends with a reframe, “The morning will come when the world is mine,” as almost everyone except the baron and the scholar rises for a “Heil Hitler” salute.

The scholar then asks the baron, “Do you still think you can control them?” The scene might not have been that alarming to people who did not know what was to follow.

The word “we” suggests common interests in which all Germans shared, but that was hardly the case in the early 1930s. Struggling to recover from World War I and dependent upon American investment, the Weimar Republic saw its legitimacy collapse as the Great Depression spread its tentacles from the United States to the rest of the world. Weimer was certain to be replaced either by the Communists or another revolutionary movement of the left or by one of several right-wing, hyper-nationalist militaristic parties. The Nazis prevailed, but a rival could have taken over had events gone only slightly differently. Only a few years before the Nazi take over, most of the conservative or social democratic establishment dismissed them as the “right loony fringe.”

As German politics polarized between the left and the right in the 1920s, there emerged a parallel cultural divide between people who embraced experimentation in art, sexuality, lifestyle and those who clung to the “three K’s” (in English: children, kitchen and church) and yearned for the restoration of German military glory and respect for traditional authority.

The United States, at the time, experienced a similar rift between the flappers and the evangelical revivalists who flocked to hear Billy Sunday and fought evolution, as the Ku Klux Klan reemerged.

From the 1960s to the 1980s, the United States underwent even greater division between a counterculture tied to a left that saw the Vietnam War as emblematic of a flawed militaristic capitalist empire against a “silent majority” committed to American glory, traditional families, the virtues of hard work, and for some, white rights and Christian values.

For all the talk about how polarized the United States is now, it was more so then. At that time, the left was challenging the legitimacy of the American military. Many within the younger generation were rejecting the society, based on working and consuming, which they were supposed to inherit. Japan and Europe were showing signs of surpassing the United States economically. Some, such as David Rockefeller, within the corporate elite felt it was essential to reestablish respect for traditional authority.

By the late 1970s, the silent majority morphed in the “New Right.“ The New Right embraced unrestrained capitalism as “Christian,” something which evangelical movements had seldom previously done. The American corporate elite found this version of fundamentalism palatable, especially when, like the German establishment during Weimar, it confronted a threat from the left.

A few years before the rift of the late 1970s, much of the American corporate establishment would have seen the Christian right as a “loony fringe,” but like the German elite of the early 1930s, they felt a need to find someone to return order and stability. Although many were previously suspicious of Ronald Reagan, they allowed him to become president. Hitler promised German honor would be restored and Germany would never again lose a war. Reagan made the same promise to America. The German business community thought they could contain Hitler. They were wrong. The American business community hoped they could control Reagan and it turns out they were correct.

Reagan built a coalition between the corporate elite and the evangelical right. He did not enact the programs of the fundamentalists, but he gave them lip-service as their perspective gained respectability. He recentered the political spectrum as the real left fell beyond the edge and liberalism, which previously had been the mainstream, became the “L-word.”

Reagan dissipated the crisis that he was brought into office to resolve, but his fiscal and military policies may have laid the seeds for America’s long-term economic decline. He doubled the government deficit as jobs and infrastructure were exported. Despite underlying instability, there appeared to be a surface return to normalcy and patriotism and today, even some liberals remember his tenure nostalgically. America is now suffering through the long-term impact of his program, as a standard of living based on deficit rather than production cannot be sustained indefinitely.

Today, like in the 1960/70s, America is experiencing a Weimar-like polarization as the gap between the 1% and 99% approaches an unprecedented high. After a thirty-year dormancy, the Left seems to be reemerging; with manifestations like the Occupies and the campaign of a moderate social democrat-Bernie Sanders-who almost captured the Democratic nomination. Like in Weimar, a strengthening Left is being matched by an assertive Right as Donald Trump is about to be crowned Republican nominee.

Sanders and Trump both won their support among a 99% feeling much the same angst and insecurity. The battle is over how the public is to conceptualize the source of the malaise. Sanders suggests it is the 1% establishment and perhaps the very militaristic capitalist system they control. Hitler attributed Germany’s trauma to vermin within its midst, undermining Aryan purity—especially Jews, who lived there prosperously for generations. Similarly, Trump blames America’s decline on alien infiltrators—Muslims and Mexicans, along with cowardly liberals who cannot stand up for true Americans and have weaken the United States to the point that foreign countries dare defy American authority. As the Nazis, in defiance of religious freedom, passed laws requiring Jews to register, Trump plans to establish a national database for Muslims. Former Republican Governor of Massachusetts William Weld has compared Trump’s xenophobia to Kristallnacht, the night in 1938 when the Nazis went wild beating Jews as they broke their windows.

True to the baron in “Cabaret’s” expectations, Nazi storm troopers would beat up Communists even before Hitler seized power. When leftist protest at Trump rallies, his response from the podium has been reminiscent of Hitler’s. He assured his supporters “knock the crap out of them … I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.”

In polarized times, the right has hardly been alone in turning to violence, although they often seem more comfortable with it than the left. As Weimar collapsed, the Communists did engage the Nazis in street brawls. In the 1960s and 70s, the Black Panthers and the Weatherman called for “picking up the gun.” At the May 2016 Nevada Democratic convention, some Sanders’ supporters were reported to throw chairs and Chairwomen Roberta Lange allegedly received threats. Sanders appeared to condone the protesters suggesting that they were reacting against the party leadership using “its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place.” However, he also insisted his rallies had been violence free and he did not endorse violence.

In Sacramento on June 26, 2016, about thirty members of a self-proclaimed White national group, the Traditionalist Workers Party, held a rally. The party claims to defend “faith, family and folk” against “economic exploitation, federal tyranny, and anti-Christian degeneracy.” When they met by a larger group of at least two hundred anti-fascist protesters, violence ensued with at least ten people injured and two stabbed. It is not clear who initiated the violence.

Although there has been violence from the left, both in America and in Weimar, it is not comparable to violence from the right. A Trump regime could have eerie similarities to Nazi Germany, but resolving America’s problems will require an opposite approach—following policies like those proposed by Bernie Sanders.

Very likely, the establishment will prevail and Hillary Clinton will be America’s next president. We certainly should prefer her to Trump, but she probably will not close the gap between the 1% and the 99% and she is likely to engage in more self-destructive military adventurism. The crisis will continue and a new Trump-like bully will emerge—perhaps Trump himself four years from now.

To prevent a Weimar-like collapse, America must follow Sanders-like policies, stop playing the world’s military policeman, and direct its resources towards improving the quality of the life for its people.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:51 am
by aTm
LOL, wow

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:09 pm
by Jungle Rat
You read that?

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:33 pm
by 10ac
I guess someone in Bangladesh has made a movie or 9 Muslims are pissed off at their gay lovers.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:38 pm
by hedge
So basically unless Bernie Sanders is the next president we're going to turn into nazi Germany? OK....

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:41 pm
by hedge
"A few scenes later, they are together at an outdoor pub when an angelic looking blond boy in a Hitler Youth uniform begins singing a seemingly innocuous patriotic song, “Tomorrow Belongs to Me,” which begins with serene comforting images of the German countryside but ends with a reframe, “The morning will come when the world is mine,” as almost everyone except the baron and the scholar rises for a “Heil Hitler” salute.

The scholar then asks the baron, “Do you still think you can control them?” The scene might not have been that alarming to people who did not know what was to follow."

Seeing as Cabaret was made long after WWII was over, I can only imagine what group of hypothetical people he is referring to who "did not know what was to follow." A magical race of humans whose memories had been erased? Deep brush pygmies on the subcontinent of your choice?

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:23 am
by Professor Tiger
That was some robust historical revisionism combined with paranoid conspiracy theory right there, JD.

Why did you post a pro-Sanders article? I thought you were "Ready for Hillary." Are you now feeling the Bern?

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:18 am
by Professor Tiger
So the Attorney General, the nation's top law enforcement officer, has a secret private meeting with Bill Clinton, whose wife is under investigation by the AG's own FBI. They only talked about the weather, grandkids, etc., even though it was the day before Hillary was to be interviewed by that same FBI.

Nothing to see here. If you think there's something wrong with that, then you are a xenophobic racist.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:26 am
by Jungle Rat
You need a hobby.