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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:33 am
by BigRedMan
Buy hey, they don't have guns so they won't escalate the violence.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:59 am
by sardis
I miss tic's economic reports...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:02 am
by eCat
unemployment rate fell to 3.8 percent.


holy shit..that's amazing

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:29 am
by sardis
What's even more amazing...

"Full-time jobs rose an eye-popping 904,000 for the month, while part-time positions declined by 625,000"


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/the-5-m ... eport.html

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:03 am
by Cletus
BigRedMan wrote:Buy hey, they don't have guns so they won't escalate the violence.
Do you think that guy could do more damage with a gun?

On a related note, Trump really did a nice job comforting the Santa Fe shooting victims and survivors. As one mother said, "It was like talking to a toddler." You Trump people must be very proud.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:46 pm
by BigRedMan
Cletus wrote:
BigRedMan wrote:Buy hey, they don't have guns so they won't escalate the violence.
Do you think that guy could do more damage with a gun?

On a related note, Trump really did a nice job comforting the Santa Fe shooting victims and survivors. As one mother said, "It was like talking to a toddler." You Trump people must be very proud.
If he knew how to use the gun, sure. Could he have done more damage by driving a car throw a crowded sidewalk?

Yup. Very proud. More full time jobs. Low unemployment rate. Dow and Nasdaq doing pretty good.

Plus, what does that even mean? Did she make goo-goo faces at him? Was he not paying attention? I mean people can just say anything they want after a meeting like that but some context and facts would be helpful.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:53 pm
by aTm
Trump met with more than two dozen people affected by the shooting, and did not publicly share his message for the grieving families and local leaders during a meeting at a Coast Guard base outside Houston.

Pamela Stanich — whose 17-year-old son, Jared Black, was among the eight students killed — was one of the parents who met with Trump, presenting him with a family statement and a copy of her son's eulogy.Trump "met with us privately and showed sincerity, compassion, and concern on making our schools safer across the nation," she wrote in a Facebook post after the meeting. "He spent time talking to the survivors and asking on what happened and what would have made a difference. Changes are coming for the good. Thank you Mr. Trump."

Rhonda Hart, whose 14-year-old daughter, Kimberly Vaughan, was killed at the school, told The Associated Press that Trump repeatedly used the word 'wacky' to describe the shooter and the trench coat he wore. She said she told Trump, "Maybe if everyone had access to mental health care, we wouldn't be in the situation."

Hart, an Army veteran, said she also suggested employing veterans as sentinels in schools. She said Trump responded, "And arm them?" She replied, "No," but said Trump "kept mentioning" arming classroom teachers. "It was like talking to a toddler," Hart said.

Reporters were not permitted to witness the meeting.
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Trum ... ipid=hpctp

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:51 pm
by aTm
Based on Rhonda Hart's twitter feed, her coming out of the meeting calling him a toddler was just about what could be expected based on her frame of mind even from before the meeting.

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https://twitter.com/KimsMom3?lang=en

The entire feed starts after her daughter was killed, and the entire point from it's genesis is that it's Trump's fault, so that is where she's coming from before ever even meeting Trump. You can't blame her, but you also can't take her words about the meeting at face value. Nothing Trump could have done or said would have fixed things or would have viewed as positive by her. Great AP article though, two meaningless fucking tweetable quips from a parent for each side to parrot out of all context to "scorre points" for their own side, Team Red or Team Blue.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:08 pm
by 10ac
I guess Cletus didn't do his due diligence.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:42 pm
by Cletus
Well, there is ample evidence of him communicating like an incoherent imbecile so the description of him as a toddler rings true.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:17 am
by Jungle Rat
Trump is a disaster

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:49 pm
by Professor Tiger
sardis wrote:What's even more amazing...

"Full-time jobs rose an eye-popping 904,000 for the month, while part-time positions declined by 625,000"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/the-5-m ... eport.html
This^ incredible jobs report deserves more attention to detail. This is what Making America Great Again looks like:
A quick look at the five most important numbers from Friday's nonfarm payrolls report:

1) Payroll growth hit 223,000 for May, its highest level since February, beating market expectations for 188,000.

2) The headline unemployment rate fell to 3.8 percent, the lowest reading since April 2000, while the "real" rate, which includes discouraged workers and the underemployed, dropped to 7.6 percent, its best since May 2001.

3) Average hourly earnings rose 2.7 percent, in line with expectations and enough to convince markets that the Fed will raise interest rates at least two more times in 2018.

4) Full-time jobs rose an eye-popping 904,000 for the month, while part-time positions declined by 625,000.
I'm waiting for Cletus to say none of these numbers reflect any improvement in Americans' daily lives. If all those numbers were downward by similar margins, I suspect Cletus would be saying that it would be proof that Trump's economy is making Americans' daily lives worse. So if the numbers are good, it is meaningless and Trump gets no credit. But if the numbers are bad, it is proof Trump's economy is destroying America. Funny how that works.

I've saved the best for last:
5) Unemployment for blacks continues to decline, with the rate falling to a record 5.9 percent, down a full point from March.
... and more specifically, also, shockingly, from CNN...
The black unemployment rate fell to 5.9% in May — the lowest since the government started keeping track in 1972.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/news/ec ... tml?iid=EL
I thought Trump was a racist. The whole GOP are all racists too. We are constantly being told how they hate black people. Yet in just 1.5 years, Trump and the GOP have done more to improve the actual daily economic lives of real black people than Carter, Clinton, and Obama. They all supposedly love black people, but don't ever seem to help their economic situation.

These economic numbers, plus the news that Trump and Kim Jong Un will meet after all, to discuss the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula instead of going to war, made yesterday a great day for America, but a perfectly horrible day for the Democrats.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:41 pm
by hedge
"So if the numbers are good, it is meaningless and Trump gets no credit."

Unemployment has been steadily declining for at least 8 years. But I guess Obama gets no credit for that either, huh?

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:18 pm
by Jungle Rat
Car! Jump!

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:43 pm
by eCat
Cletus wrote:Well, there is ample evidence of him communicating like an incoherent imbecile so the description of him as a toddler rings true.
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Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:44 pm
by eCat
hedge wrote:"So if the numbers are good, it is meaningless and Trump gets no credit."

Unemployment has been steadily declining for at least 8 years. But I guess Obama gets no credit for that either, huh?
what I liked was how everyone was convinced Trump was going to tank the economy

so he's capable of tanking the economy, just not boosting it.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:15 am
by Jungle Rat
He's a moron.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:14 pm
by hedge
The idea that the economy would tank if Trump got elected was clearly wrong and, in hindsight, it should've been obvious that it has done what it has. A more thorough believer in big business and the things that Fortune 500 CEO's prefer can hardly be imagined. Now then, whether what is good for Fortune 500 companies and their executives is actually good for the long term viability of the overall economy is another issue, but certainly in the short term things look pretty good. And, FWIW, I never thought that Trump would tank the economy based on anything he would do as president, I just thought (as did many others) that the big money players would be spooked by the idea of Trump as president, which clearly was not just a miscalculation but the opposite of what was the case. Now then, whether the economy will tank if he gets us into a trade war with China or thru his dismantling of NAFTA, the Pacific trade agreement, etc, etc, remains to be seen. In the spirit of "won't get fooled again", I would predict that if there's a massive shift in congress in the upcoming midterms and the dems regain the house and/or senate, then the economy could tank in anticipation of them rolling back the tax cuts, etc. We shall see...

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:32 pm
by sardis
Trade wars hurt Wall Street profits in the short run, but help jobs. The reason it will hurt Wall Street is that since early 90s the trade rules have been pretty much unchanged and no one thought anyone would dare reverse the global trend. Large businesses plan 30 years ahead so Trump putting a kink in globalism will put a wrench in some of their long term strategies. This why Wall Street hates it. It will be good for US workers because the old rules were made to help oversea workers and not domestic. The cries from EU and NAFTA countries are because they know they’ve been sucking at our tit through globalization. The trade rules were skewed for their benefit, on purpose, to spread democracy and capitalism worldwide with the goal of a safer world. Well, that idea imploded. Now are goal is fair trade and other countries fear it.

Tax reform was a BIG deal no matter what the very few economists left that say otherwise. We had the highest corporate rate in the developed world and now we have the lowest. Foreign money is funneling I’m in record amounts because everyone wants their money parked here.

Re: Florida State Seminoles

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:10 pm
by Professor Tiger
I would predict that if there's a massive shift in congress in the upcoming midterms and the dems regain the house and/or senate...
The landscape and polls don't indicate any massive shift in the Senate or House in the midterms.

From the pro-Republican New York Times:
Senate Republicans Are Newly Hopeful About the Midterms. For Good Reason.

Republicans, already on the offensive thanks to a Senate map that includes 10 Democratic-held seats in states Mr. Trump won, have seen nearly every electoral variable turn in their direction in recent months: They have averted disaster in the West Virginia primary, successfully recruited their preferred candidates in North Dakota and Florida, and watched a renegade Republican challenger wane in one of Mississippi’s two Senate races.

...the Senate campaign is taking place on much more Trump-friendly terrain. Six of the most competitive Senate races are in states he carried by double digits: Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Tennessee and West Virginia. (Democrats hold all of those seats except Tennessee’s.)

Yet even some Democrats concede that Republicans have seen their prospects brighten recently — thanks to their actions in some cases and their good fortune in others. “They are limiting their vulnerabilities,” said Adam Jentleson, a Democratic strategist, conceding that “it’s entirely possible we lose two or three seats.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/02/us/p ... york-times
Jobs report raises GOP hopes for midterms, while worrying Dems

“I do think this is the single biggest challenge, by far, faced by the Democrats, and it will determine whether we pick up 30 seats or 50 seats,” Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster, said of the economy...

...“It’s not the economic numbers that matter, it’s people’s perception of the economic numbers that matter,” she said.

“In Donald Trump they see someone who’s actually quite good on economic message,” she said of blue-collar voters. “We may be dismissive of it but voters aren’t.”

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/39034 ... rying-dems
Meanwhile, over in the House...
Big Democrat Lead in the Generic Congressional House Poll Down to 3.2%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6185.html