The Goat Pen

I can't fall into that line of thinking

1. no one can ever dictate to anyone alive what the value of their life is worth.
2. if we thought that way, then our life expectancy would still be in the 50 or 60's because in the early 1900's that was living a full life. Figuring out a way to prolong the life of an 87 year old is why in some measure she got to 87 in the first place.

Two things: Rather than give doddering old-timers on their way out these expensive life-prolonging drugs, they should be given a 2week supply of crack, acid, Ecstasy and heroin. If they're still alive after that, they're on their own. They don't need any help.

Secondly, on FB data mining, do you remember the name of your first-grade teacher,?

I just want my medical marijuana card.

"Secondly, on FB data mining, do you remember the name of your first-grade teacher,?"

Mrs. Shepherd. Why?

I also remember there was a Missress A. Hines and a Missress ah-Rah. Hines. I remember being fascinated at the pronunciation by some of my new classmates...

long but might explain why Zuckerburg has been camera shy as of late

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In 2009, Russian social-media mogul Yuri Milner invested $200 million into Facebook at a valuation of $10 billion dollars without voting rights or a seat on the board. To understand this investment, at the time the world was going through a global recession and Facebook's general valuation had dropped from the $15 billion from the year prior to $4-$6 billion in 2009.

https://www.cnet.com/news/facebooks-val ... eat-sheet/

One company did offer a valuation of $8 billion, but with a seat on the board, which Zuckerberg was strongly against. In other words, Yuri Milner invested in Facebook when they were strapped for cash and at an inflated price without voting rights or a seat on the board. That's an amazing deal for Zuckerberg!

Here's Yuri Milner and Mark Zuckerberg hanging out for an interview: https://techcrunch.com/2009/05/26/mark- ... ent-video/

The deal was coordinated by Alisher B. Usmanov, a Russian oligarch that earned his fortune managing steel mill subsidiaries for Gazprom.

Usmanov spent six years in prison for fraud and embezzlement in the 80's.

In 2008, Usmanov fired a publisher and editor at one of Russia's most respected news paper after it published detailed accounts of Russian election fraud.

It is said, "His ties to the Kremlin and Facebook have stirred concerns that he might influence the company’s policies in subtle ways to appease governments in markets where Facebook is also an important tool of political dissent, such as Russia." This was in 2009.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/16/techn ... f-big.html

Usmanov is close friends with Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisher_Usmanov

Ivanka Trump and Wendi Deng are good friends with Abramovich's then wife, Dasha Zhoukova. Here they are watching a tennis match.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -Open.html

The leak of the Paradise Papers revealed the money Yuri Milner used to invest into Facebook came from Gazprom, a US sanctioned Russian oil and gas company, at one point owning 9% of the company.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is- ... ter-russia

Soon after, Zuckerberg and Milner became friends, meeting monthly:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zuckerbe ... 57335.html

And even spoke together in November 2015 at the 2016 Breakthrough Prize Ceremony.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is- ... ter-russia

In May 2012, Milner attended Zuckerberg's wedding. In 2014, Milner moved to California home he paid 100% above value on.

http://time.com/5011000/paradise-papers ... vens-leak/

For those who aren't familiar with Gazprom, Gazprom financed the spy ring that in 2013 tried to recruit Trump Advisor Carter Page before being broken up by the FBI. One of the spies trying to recruit Page said of Page, "He got hooked on Gazprom."

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/04/rus ... -an-idiot/

Around the time Yuri Milner was investing in Facebook, they lost their CFO Gideon Yu. Reason given: Facebook wanted a CFO with public company experience, suggesting they were thinking of an IPO at the time of Milner's investment (the reason given was deemed nonsensical).

https://techcrunch.com/2009/03/31/confi ... gideon-yu/

Yuri Milner's DST was one of the big winners over Facebook's botched IPO.

https://www.ft.com/content/281a8420-a46 ... 144feabdc0

When Facebook was confronted about the fake news epidemic on Facebook and it's influence on the election, he said it was "crazy."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topofthe ... story.html

When Facebook put out a report in April 2017, it conspicuously left out any mention of Russia:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... formation/

US political ads were at times paid for by rubles:

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/35 ... ection-ads

Facebook had "embeds" into the Trump campaign working with Brad Parscale, Trumps digital director.

https://mashable.com/2017/10/10/faceboo ... ZIcKnffGqw

Based on Kushner's quotes, these "embeds" may have worked closely with Cambridge Anayltica:

“We found that Facebook and digital targeting were the most effective ways to reach the audiences. After the primary, we started ramping up because we knew that doing a national campaign is different than doing a primary campaign. That was when we formalized the system because we had to ramp up for digital fundraising. We brought in Cambridge Analytica. I called some of my friends from Silicon Valley who were some of the best digital marketers in the world. And I asked them how to scale this stuff."

Here's a video explaining just that: @2:37



Theresa Wong from the Trump campaign says that people from Facebook, Google, and Youtube "...were helping us... They were basically our hands-on partners..."

In the video above, Theresa Wong from the Trump campaign says, "Without Facebook, we wouldn't have won." (@4:21)

For those who aren't familiar, Cambridge Analytica was communicating with Julian Assange about Hillary Clinton's and DNC's stolen emails. So was Don Jr. Michael Flynn, who pled guilty to lying to the FBI, also had an advisory role at Cambridge Analytica.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... disclosure

Zuckerberg admitted there was overlap between Russia ads and the Trump Campaign.

http://www.techheadlines.us/facebook-sa ... -campaign/

Facebook recommended Russian propaganda to users:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/faceboo ... ganda.html

Facebook helped Agata Burdonova, who was a manager at the IRA (Russian Troll Factory) that meddled in the US 2016 elections, and her husband, Dmitry Fyodorov, immigrate to Seattle Washington. Burdonova's husband has received a job offer from Facebook.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kevincollier/a ... now-living



Yuri Milner made these investments into Facebook with the help of Jared Kushner's friend and old classmate Ryan Williams. Yuri Milner also invested in Cadre, a company co-founded by Ryan Williams, Jared Kushner, and his brother Josh Kushner. However, Jared Kushner conveniently failed to disclose his ownership of the company. Milner's investment is likely through Gazprom as well.

http://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-i ... ons-679231

https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/10/135 ... news-trump

Guess who's friend's with both Mark Zuckerberg and Yuri Milner? Suspected Chinese agent and Vladimir Putin love interest Wendi Deng Murdoch.

Wendi Deng introduced her then husband Rupert Murdoch to Mark Zuckerberg:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/ ... wendi-deng

Yuri Milner and Wendi Deng attended a Time 100 Gala together in New York, April 2016.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Yuri+Milne ... uud6cf3as-

Here's Wendy Deng with Yuri Milner's wife and Karlie Kloss, who's dating Josh Kushner, Jared Kushner's brother.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/even ... ri-milner/

Wendi Deng also hosted a dinner that included Jared Kushner, Josh Kushner, and Ryan Williams, amongst others.

https://www.vogue.com/article/businessw ... er-profile

Wendi Deng is know as a match-maker to her friends and actually helped reunite Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner after a break up, eventually leading to marriage. Wendi Deng may be the link between Yuri Milner with Zuckerberg, as well as with the Kushners, and Ryan Williams.

Wendi Deng was spotted on Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich's yacht several times.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -Hall.html

Wendi Deng introduced Ivanka Trump to Dasha Zhoukova, then wife of Roman Abramovich.

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner met at a business lucheon led by Abramovich associate Lev Leviev. At the time, Lev Leviev was hosting the bris for the grandson of Tamir Sapir, who's daughter Zina Sapir married Lev Leviev's Africa-Israel US CEO Roten Rosen. Trump, just months priors, hosted Zina Sapir and Roten Rosem's wedding at Mar-a-Lago.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... y_you.html

The Sapir Organization, in conjunction with Bayrock and the Trump Organization, put together the scandal-ridden Trump SoHo and were working together to replicate that with a Trump Tower Moscow.

https://therealdeal.com/2013/11/12/the- ... to-moscow/

In 2000, Abramovich and Oleg Deripaska, along with others, made a deal that ended the "Aluminum wars" and turned the industry into a near monopoly.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... a.football

Oleg Deripaska and Alisher Usmanov have been business ties together.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 65258.html

Evidently the folks who harvested that FB data were looking at usage rates per client, b/c I never saw anything on my FB page having to do with anything political. But that's b/c I only go on there 3 or 4 times a year. Unlike Rat, who lives his life on FB. Same with the flip phone. I like to harbor the thought that anybody looking to steal data about me notices that I have a flip phone and just moves on to the next potential victim. They're like "goddamn, flip phone? Fuck this loser, not worth our time." Which is exactly what I want...

Reminder: chelski is owned by a truly evil individual

hedge wrote:"Secondly, on FB data mining, do you remember the name of your first-grade teacher,?"

Mrs. Shepherd. Why?

Because all those stupid polls that people post with questions like that or your stripper name is your first pet and the street you lived on as a kid are a lot of people's passwords.

Also, the Russians have been working to undermine us for a while and if anyone doesn't think that Trump and the GOP as well as past Dem and GOP administrations have been willing dupes, you're as stupid as the Russians believe we are.

I think the Russians are pretty stupid too. I mean, just look at them. They've allowed themselves to be dominated by mass murderers and tyrants for the better part of a century. Sure, their leaders are sneaky and would like to fuck with us, but I'm sure we've been doing the same to them for decades. This is just one of their more embarrassing (because public) victories over us, but it's a chess match. Actually, considering the general intelligence of "leaders" everywhere, it's more like checkers...

Hedge. Shut up

At this point in world history, Russia should be like any other European country with regard to their relations with the us and the rest of Europe. They should be like France or England or Germany. But they let themselves be boondoggled 100 years ago and they've yet to fully recover. But they'll get there. Just like I imagine it was difficult for our grandparents to ever think that we could be on perfectly normal and cordial relations with Germany or Japan, I suspect in a generation or two, our grand kids will regard Russia the same way we regard Germany or Japan today. The A-rabs are another story, that's going to take some more time...

You are embarrassing yourself.

Which is normal I guess.

The Russians are a proud people, like hilljacks, and they owe much of their stupidity to that.

I sorta like bananas

hedge wrote:At this point in world history, Russia should be like any other European country with regard to their relations with the us and the rest of Europe. They should be like France or England or Germany. But they let themselves be boondoggled 100 years ago and they've yet to fully recover. But they'll get there. Just like I imagine it was difficult for our grandparents to ever think that we could be on perfectly normal and cordial relations with Germany or Japan, I suspect in a generation or two, our grand kids will regard Russia the same way we regard Germany or Japan today. The A-rabs are another story, that's going to take some more time...

I would argue to the contrary. We will never be allies with Russians. Russia, historically speaking, is the most backwards, corrupt and repressive of the major European powers, they've never bought into western intellectual thought.

Saint wrote:The Russians are a proud people, like hilljacks, and they owe much of their stupidity to that.

I think that might be an apt comparison, especially if the hilljacks used West Virginia and North Carolina as puppet states to keep out everyone else.

Good read on the sjw attitude pushing the SPLC into extremes

http://theweek.com/articles/759498/sad- ... law-center