Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Jungle Rat]

$6.50?

[Professor Tiger]

It's not all about money. There are also the perks. Do you have access to the physicians only parking lot?

[sardis]

your graph is a couple of years outdated

but then turns back upward immediately with Bush II? .

You can't even read your own chart. Immediately? Looks like % of GDP stayed in the 30's under Bush until the fiscal year ending 2008....hmmmm, I wonder why the Bush tax cuts didn't blow up the deficit until then? What was the difference in 2007 legislature that could effect the deficit? I wonder why Clinton's deficit didn't get into the 30's until the second half of his presidency instead of the first half? It's an easy answer, tick.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Happy Independence Day to all

[puterbac]

Nearly every conservative on PNN favors restricting voting rights in one way or another, Mook. Some want you to be forced to pass a civics test before you're allowed to vote. Others want to see property or wealth requirements brought back. Or at the very least, if you receive govt assistance in any way, you can't be permitted to vote. The age limit needs to be raised because kids under 30 are dumb and too "anything goes". Whatever it takes to get the voting ranks back to middle and upper class white men deciding for the rest of society what's best. Cue the "we're a Republic, not a democracy"

And of course DSL left out the one thing people do want which is showing ID to prove who you are before voting.

[It's me Karen]

Happy Fourth!

[10ac]

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[Owlman]

And of course DSL left out the one thing people do want which is showing ID to prove who you are before voting.

But why just a driver's license as an id? Why not a school ID for example?

[GBJs]

And of course DSL left out the one thing people do want which is showing ID to prove who you are before voting.

But why just a driver's license as an id? Why not a school ID for example?

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If your school ID has your picture, DOB, and current address which matches your voters registration card, I'm all for it.

[Professor Tiger]

RE: "Gathering of Mustangs and Legends"

Is that like "Leaders and Legends"?

[Big Orange Junky]

As long as it proved citizenship and eligibility then anything would work.

But some sort of ID should be required.

[Professor Tiger]

Requiring a voter to present a valid ID to prove they are who they say they are, and that they are attempting to vote precisely once, and in the designated precinct, is the equivalent of slavery.

[Jungle Rat]

Guess those people without ID can't buy beer either.

[Professor Tiger]

Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job

http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/blo ... 76014.html

When the Obama administration releases a report on the Friday before a long weekend, it’s clearly not trying to draw attention to the report’s contents. Sure enough, the “Seventh Quarterly Report” on the economic impact of the “stimulus,” released on Friday, July 1, provides further evidence that President Obama’s economic “stimulus” did very little, if anything, to stimulate the economy, and a whole lot to stimulate the debt.

The report was written by the White House’s Council of Economic Advisors, a group of three economists who were all handpicked by Obama, and it chronicles the alleged success of the “stimulus” in adding or saving jobs. The council reports that, using “mainstream estimates of economic multipliers for the effects of fiscal stimulus” (which it describes as a “natural way to estimate the effects of” the legislation), the “stimulus” has added or saved just under 2.4 million jobs — whether private or public — at a cost (to date) of $666 billion. That’s a cost to taxpayers of $278,000 per job.

Again, this is the verdict of Obama’s own Council of Economic Advisors, which is about as much of a home-field ruling as anyone could ever ask for. In truth, it’s quite possible that by borrowing an amount greater than the regular defense budget or the annual cost of Medicare, and then spending it mostly on Democratic constituencies rather than in a manner genuinely designed to stimulate the economy, Obama’s “stimulus” has actually undermined the economy’s recovery — while leaving us (thus far) $666 billion deeper in debt.

[GBJs]

Requiring a voter to present a valid ID to prove they are who they say they are, and that they are attempting to vote precisely once, and in the designated precinct, is the equivalent of slavery.

Only in a sociology class.

[Owlman]

If your school ID has your picture, DOB, and current address which matches your voters registration card, I'm all for it.

Your registration has already qualified whether you are eligible to vote. You don't need an id for that. Any id that shows you are the person registered should be enough. You don't need DOB or anything with your residence on it. If you aren't a resident or if you aren't old enough, you will not be registered.

Therefore, any official ID showing your picture and name should be enough.

[Professor Tiger]

Therefore, any official ID showing your picture and name should be enough.

An ACORN ID should suffice.

[Big Orange Junky]

If your school ID has your picture, DOB, and current address which matches your voters registration card, I'm all for it.

Your registration has already qualified whether you are eligible to vote. You don't need an id for that. Any id that shows you are the person registered should be enough. You don't need DOB or anything with your residence on it. If you aren't a resident or if you aren't old enough, you will not be registered.

Therefore, any official ID showing your picture and name should be enough.

Not really, it's too easy to obtain a fradulent voter registration, or keep an old one and vote 2-3 times etc. Nobody took up my old registrations so if I had desired I could have voted 3 times in the last election by traveling to all those old places and voting.

So you should have to show a current complete ID.

[Jungle Rat]

Why is there even a debate about having to show ID to vote? Don't got one, can't vote. Sorry.

[GBJs]

Therefore, any official ID showing your picture and name should be enough.

That's your opinion, not mine. And I like to be a pain in the ass!

Last year I had to renew my DL. Due to some bull shit almost 10 years ago this September and the state of Florida thinking they needed to verify my address, and that I was who I said I was, Florida required me to bring a few more things with me...

1) I had to bring my birth certificate. Can you imagine that? In my entire life I've only had addresses in Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee, unless you consider an FPO address while I was in the U.S. Navy. Now they didn't say I had to be U. S. born, just had to bring my birth certificate.

2) I had to bring two separate forms of mail showing my current address. Can you imagine that? Me and the bank have owned this house since it was built in 1992. The 16th of this month will be 19 years, and the FDOT wouldn't take my word for it.

Amazingly enough, no one I've heard cried foul, because even if it's a pain in the ass and you can't renew on line until you go through this bull shit one time and how dare they question me, EVERYONE was required to do so. Not a single person was singled out.

Every time I vote, I am asked for my voters registration card and a photo ID. What could be more natural than your drivers license? The photo ID should be issued by the convening authority though, and that would be the state. Yes, state DLs can be counterfeited, but not nearly as easily as dumbass U. Hell, why not just a snapshot?