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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:31 am
by bluetick
Professor Tiger wrote:
bluetick wrote:Serious? BS Communications '80. Advertising major, Marketing minor.
And also a cum laude graduate of the UT Jethro Bodeine School of Avanced Cipherin' and Double Naught Science.
:::half-hearted knee slap:::

Jethro Bodine was from Missouri, as was Ellie Mae and Jed (and the series creator). Jed's mother in law, Daisy Mae Moses (aka Granny), was the lone Tennessean of the quartet. Know your Beverly Hillbillies.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:17 pm
by hedge
And yet marijuana is illegal...

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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:14 pm
by Professor Tiger
hedge wrote:And yet marijuana is illegal...
Right on cue...

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I trust this will dispel any boorish questions about my encyclopedic knowledge of "The Beverly Hillbillies."

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:14 pm
by hedge
Boorish indeed...

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:35 pm
by Professor Tiger
I should have said "mewling."

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:49 pm
by Professor Tiger
The latest news on the Hillary e-mail scandal from that right-wing nutjob conspiracy-theorist anti-Clinton rag, the Daily Beast:
The Spy Satellite Secrets in Hillary’s Emails

These weren’t just ordinary secrets found in Clinton’s private server, but some of the most classified material the U.S. government has.

After months of denials and delaying actions, Hillary Clinton has decided to turn over her private email server to the Department of Justice. As this controversy has grown since the spring, Clinton and her campaign operatives have repeatedly denied that she had placed classified information in her personal email while serving as secretary of state during President Obama’s first term. (“I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received,” she said last month.) Her team also denied that she would ever hand over her server to investigators. Now both those assertions have been overturned.

Hillary Clinton has little choice but to hand over her server to authorities since it now appears increasingly likely that someone on her staff violated federal laws regarding the handling of classified materials. On August 11, after extensive investigation, the intelligence community’s inspector general reported to Congress that it had found several violations of security policy in Clinton’s personal emails.

Most seriously, the inspector general assessed that Clinton’s emails included information that was highly classified—yet mislabeled as unclassified. Worse, the information in question should have been classified up to the level of “TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN,” according to the inspector general’s report.

You may have seen acronym lists like these on declassified documents before—and glazed over them. This is the arcane language of the cleared cognoscenti, so let me explain what this means:

• TOP SECRET, as the name implies, is the highest official classification level in the U.S. government, defined as information whose unauthorized release “could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security or foreign relations.”

• SI refers to Special Intelligence, meaning it is information derived from intercepted communications, which is the business of the National Security Agency, America’s single biggest source of intelligence. They’re the guys who eavesdrop on phone calls, map who’s calling whom, and comb through emails. SI is a subset of what the intelligence community calls Sensitive Compartmented Information, or SCI. And these materials always require special handling and protection. They are to be kept in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, or SCIF, which is a special hardened room that is safe from both physical and electronic intrusion.

• TK refers to Talent Keyhole, which is an intelligence community caveat indicating that the classified material was obtained via satellite.

• NOFORN, as the name implies, means that the materials can only be shown to Americans, not to foreigners.

In short: Information at the “TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN” level is considered exceptionally highly classified and must be handled with great care under penalty of serious consequences for mishandling. Every person who is cleared and “read on” for access to such information signs reams of paperwork and receives detailed training about how it is to be handled, no exceptions—and what the consequences will be if the rules are not followed.

People found to have willfully mishandled such highly classified information often face severe punishment. Termination of employment, hefty fines, even imprisonment can result.

In the real world, people with high-level clearances are severely punished for willfully violating such rules. At a minimum, those suspected of mishandling things like NSA “signals intelligence”—intercepts calls, emails, and the like—have their clearances suspended pending the outcome of the investigation into their misconduct. Any personal items—computers, electronics—where federal investigators suspect the classified material wound up, wrongly, will be impounded and searched. If it has TOP SECRET//SI information on it, “your” computer now belongs to the government, because it is considered classified.

People found to have willfully mishandled such highly classified information often face severe punishment. Termination of employment, hefty fines, even imprisonment can result. Yes, people really do go to jail for mishandling classified materials. Matthew Aid, a writer on intelligence matters, served more than a year in prison for mishandling TOP SECRET//SI information from the NSA, for example. The well-connected tend to avoid jail, however. Sandy Berger and John Deutsch—who both served in high-level positions under President Bill Clinton, did not go to prison for mishandling TOP SECRET intelligence (though Berger got probation and was fined $50,000).

What, then, does all this mean for Hillary Clinton? There is no doubt that she, or someone on her State Department staff, violated federal law by putting TOP SECRET//SI information on an unclassified system. That it was Hillary’s private, offsite server makes the case even worse from a security viewpoint. Claims that they “didn’t know” such information was highly classified do not hold water and are irrelevant. It strains belief that anybody with clearances didn’t recognize that NSA information, which is loaded with classification markings, was signals intelligence, or SIGINT. It’s possible that the classified information found in Clinton’s email trove wasn’t marked as such. But if that classification notice was omitted, it wasn’t the U.S. intelligence community that took such markings away. Moreover, anybody holding security clearances has already assumed the responsibility for handling it properly.


As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton had no authority to disseminate intelligence-community information on her own, neither could she make it less highly classified (a process termed “downgrading” in the spy trade) without asking permission first.

It is a very big deal and less-connected people who do this sort of thing ruin their lives, as any IC counterintelligence official can attest. During my NSA time, I saw junior personnel terminated for relatively minor infractions of security regulations. While the U.S. government unquestionably does over-classify items on the policy side, where almost everything in the Defense and State Departments gets some sort of classification stamp, not usually at a high level, intelligence reporting by its very nature is classified. If you don’t want the responsibility of a high-level government position, which inevitably brings with it TOP SECRET//SI access, then don’t accept that burden.

There’s still a lot we don’t know about Hillary Clinton’s Emailgate. Exactly how many emails contained TOP SECRET//SI information is unclear. We may never know since thousands of emails were already destroyed by Clinton. Who exactly placed the classified information in emails—it may not have been Hillary Clinton—and how did they access the information in the first place? How many of her staffers at Foggy Bottom were also using her personal server?

Underlying all this is the question of why Hillary Clinton decided to employ her own private email and server to handle so much of her official State Department business. This is, to say the least, highly irregular—not to mention a violation of numerous U.S. government rules and regulations—so there had to be a compelling reason to do this. What was it?

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:53 pm
by bluetick
Colin Powell complained about the State Dept. antiquated technology systems and often employed a personal email account. Powell insists that his personal server never contained classified material.

Hillary Clinton complained about the State Dept. antiquated technology systems and often employed a personal email account. Clinton insists that her personal server never contained classified material.

One has no political aspirations; one is running for president. The former has not been challenged regarding private emails while the latter hears partisan calls for a criminal investigation.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:26 pm
by 10ac
Wow. The old goose - gander defense.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:48 pm
by Jungle Rat
Professor Tiger wrote:The latest news on the Hillary e-mail scandal from that right-wing nutjob conspiracy-theorist anti-Clinton rag, the Daily Beast:
The Spy Satellite Secrets in Hillary’s Emails

These weren’t just ordinary secrets found in Clinton’s private server, but some of the most classified material the U.S. government has.

After months of denials and delaying actions, Hillary Clinton has decided to turn over her private email server to the Department of Justice. As this controversy has grown since the spring, Clinton and her campaign operatives have repeatedly denied that she had placed classified information in her personal email while serving as secretary of state during President Obama’s first term. (“I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received,” she said last month.) Her team also denied that she would ever hand over her server to investigators. Now both those assertions have been overturned.

Hillary Clinton has little choice but to hand over her server to authorities since it now appears increasingly likely that someone on her staff violated federal laws regarding the handling of classified materials. On August 11, after extensive investigation, the intelligence community’s inspector general reported to Congress that it had found several violations of security policy in Clinton’s personal emails.

Most seriously, the inspector general assessed that Clinton’s emails included information that was highly classified—yet mislabeled as unclassified. Worse, the information in question should have been classified up to the level of “TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN,” according to the inspector general’s report.

You may have seen acronym lists like these on declassified documents before—and glazed over them. This is the arcane language of the cleared cognoscenti, so let me explain what this means:

• TOP SECRET, as the name implies, is the highest official classification level in the U.S. government, defined as information whose unauthorized release “could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security or foreign relations.”

• SI refers to Special Intelligence, meaning it is information derived from intercepted communications, which is the business of the National Security Agency, America’s single biggest source of intelligence. They’re the guys who eavesdrop on phone calls, map who’s calling whom, and comb through emails. SI is a subset of what the intelligence community calls Sensitive Compartmented Information, or SCI. And these materials always require special handling and protection. They are to be kept in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, or SCIF, which is a special hardened room that is safe from both physical and electronic intrusion.

• TK refers to Talent Keyhole, which is an intelligence community caveat indicating that the classified material was obtained via satellite.

• NOFORN, as the name implies, means that the materials can only be shown to Americans, not to foreigners.

In short: Information at the “TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN” level is considered exceptionally highly classified and must be handled with great care under penalty of serious consequences for mishandling. Every person who is cleared and “read on” for access to such information signs reams of paperwork and receives detailed training about how it is to be handled, no exceptions—and what the consequences will be if the rules are not followed.

People found to have willfully mishandled such highly classified information often face severe punishment. Termination of employment, hefty fines, even imprisonment can result.

In the real world, people with high-level clearances are severely punished for willfully violating such rules. At a minimum, those suspected of mishandling things like NSA “signals intelligence”—intercepts calls, emails, and the like—have their clearances suspended pending the outcome of the investigation into their misconduct. Any personal items—computers, electronics—where federal investigators suspect the classified material wound up, wrongly, will be impounded and searched. If it has TOP SECRET//SI information on it, “your” computer now belongs to the government, because it is considered classified.

People found to have willfully mishandled such highly classified information often face severe punishment. Termination of employment, hefty fines, even imprisonment can result. Yes, people really do go to jail for mishandling classified materials. Matthew Aid, a writer on intelligence matters, served more than a year in prison for mishandling TOP SECRET//SI information from the NSA, for example. The well-connected tend to avoid jail, however. Sandy Berger and John Deutsch—who both served in high-level positions under President Bill Clinton, did not go to prison for mishandling TOP SECRET intelligence (though Berger got probation and was fined $50,000).

What, then, does all this mean for Hillary Clinton? There is no doubt that she, or someone on her State Department staff, violated federal law by putting TOP SECRET//SI information on an unclassified system. That it was Hillary’s private, offsite server makes the case even worse from a security viewpoint. Claims that they “didn’t know” such information was highly classified do not hold water and are irrelevant. It strains belief that anybody with clearances didn’t recognize that NSA information, which is loaded with classification markings, was signals intelligence, or SIGINT. It’s possible that the classified information found in Clinton’s email trove wasn’t marked as such. But if that classification notice was omitted, it wasn’t the U.S. intelligence community that took such markings away. Moreover, anybody holding security clearances has already assumed the responsibility for handling it properly.


As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton had no authority to disseminate intelligence-community information on her own, neither could she make it less highly classified (a process termed “downgrading” in the spy trade) without asking permission first.

It is a very big deal and less-connected people who do this sort of thing ruin their lives, as any IC counterintelligence official can attest. During my NSA time, I saw junior personnel terminated for relatively minor infractions of security regulations. While the U.S. government unquestionably does over-classify items on the policy side, where almost everything in the Defense and State Departments gets some sort of classification stamp, not usually at a high level, intelligence reporting by its very nature is classified. If you don’t want the responsibility of a high-level government position, which inevitably brings with it TOP SECRET//SI access, then don’t accept that burden.

There’s still a lot we don’t know about Hillary Clinton’s Emailgate. Exactly how many emails contained TOP SECRET//SI information is unclear. We may never know since thousands of emails were already destroyed by Clinton. Who exactly placed the classified information in emails—it may not have been Hillary Clinton—and how did they access the information in the first place? How many of her staffers at Foggy Bottom were also using her personal server?

Underlying all this is the question of why Hillary Clinton decided to employ her own private email and server to handle so much of her official State Department business. This is, to say the least, highly irregular—not to mention a violation of numerous U.S. government rules and regulations—so there had to be a compelling reason to do this. What was it?
::: farts :::

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:25 am
by Toemeesleather
From the never ending you can't make this sh!t up file.

This a line from the email the PAH sent to high dollar supporters when the FBI found the top secret emails she said she never sent.....


There’s a lot of misinformation, so bear with us; the truth matters on this.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:48 am
by bluetick
Actually you really can make this shit up..

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:21 pm
by Toemeesleather
TOP SECRET//SI/TK/NOFORN!!!!111!!

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:34 pm
by Johnette's Daddy
Toemeesleather wrote:TOP SECRET//SI/TK/NOFORN!!!!111!!
LOL.

At 17, I was walking through the park and was stopped by a really, really hot chick at a rally. She started talking to me about the political issues of the day and convinced me to join her organization - the Young Socialists of America. I paid the membership fee ($3.00?), filled out an application and got my membership card.

Two months later, I joined the US Navy. Reagan was POTUS. I served on a nuclear sub, I served on a sub tender that carried nuclear warheads, served as a communications officer and had a -/handled information that required an extremely high security clearance. In my office on one ship, I had access to the technical manuals of equipment that 35 years later they are only now admitting that we had and I was often alone with it - someone was supposed to secure it, but it was easier to leave it out if you were going to access it again.

For a couple of years, I wondered if anyone was going to ask me about my YSA membership. After 5 years, I figured they never bothered to look when they cleared me.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:06 pm
by Toemeesleather
Good God JD!!!

Go out and lie about it and you too can run for President.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:27 pm
by Toemeesleather
More bad news for tick and JD....that uppity colored guy running for president is gaining in the polls:


As Princeton polling expert Sam Wang pointed out, accomplished neurosurgeon Ben Carson has risen to the top-tier of the three polls released following the first Republican presidential debate Thursday night.

On Monday, Public Policy Polling released a poll of Republican primary voters in Iowa showing Carson with 12% support among Hawkeye State Republicans, which puts him second behind Trump.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:04 pm
by bluetick
12 percent?? Garsh...that's strong.

POLL: Herman Cain Leads Romney 30 pct to 22 pct Oct 12, 2011, AP wirestory

A new poll from Public Policy Polling has the one-time Godfather's Pizza CEO leading Mitt Romney by eight percentage points, 30 percent to 22 percent. Those are the exact same percentages the very same polling outfit reported yesterday for Cain and Romney in Iowa where the first formal GOP presidential preference caucuses will occur in early January.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:43 pm
by crashcourse
Professor Tiger wrote:Who's Briona White?

kstate black girl killed with her boyfriend this past week in chi town southside
10 and 11th homicide of the weekend
going into her senior year degree in architecture I think--something decent
meanwhile Michael brown got all the headlines for the 1 year anniversary.
the thug is glorified while she and her finace and many like her are ignored.
the thugs are starting to win
I see the cop was fired who shot the kid in the car lot. just like the cop who killed Michael brown will never work again

thugs 2 cops 0

eventually the pendulum will render cops impotent--afraid to be a cop always being second guessed and second guessing themselves.

if something goes wrong they are blames and ridiculed

its never the fault of the thugs

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:46 pm
by Toemeesleather
that's strong


It's no coronation, like you said the PAH would get, but hell, at least there's more to choose from than a tired old white lady and tired old hippie.

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:22 pm
by Professor Tiger
bluetick wrote:Colin Powell complained about the State Dept. antiquated technology systems and often employed a personal email account. Powell insists that his personal server never contained classified material.

Hillary Clinton complained about the State Dept. antiquated technology systems and often employed a personal email account. Clinton insists that her personal server never contained classified material.

One has no political aspirations; one is running for president. The former has not been challenged regarding private emails while the latter hears partisan calls for a criminal investigation.
IT"S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

THE VAST RIGHT RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY (that somehow, inexplicably, includes the right wing nutjob rags like the NYT and the Daily Beast) LIVES!!!!

Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:31 pm
by Professor Tiger
eventually the pendulum will render cops impotent--afraid to be a cop always being second guessed and second guessing themselves.

if something goes wrong they are blames and ridiculed
That's exactly what's happening in Baltimore right now. The cops have stopped arresting people. (JD should be ecstatic.) Problem is, their crime rate, and especially their murder rate, has gone through the roof.

https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2015/08/0 ... s-in-2015/

I'm sure JD is fine with that since those kinds of murders don't matter. Only white cops who shoot black suspects (justifiable or not) matter.

I'm going to my niece's wedding in the Baltimore Harbor area in September. I may bring my 9 millie. My life and those of my family may not matter to some, but they damn sure matter to me.