The Goat Pen

eCat wrote:to legally get a full auto in Nevada an individual is required to get their Chief Law Enforcement Officer (“CLEO”) to signoff on each Form 1 or Form 4. Some CLEOs take inordinately long to sign off or downright refuse to sign them at all. You must be fingerprinted and photographed as the owner.

I thought you needed a federal ATF permit to possess an auto. That used to be the case. Maybe they delegated that down to the states.

But it makes sense that a "CLEO" (probably a police chief) would not sign off on such a permit. What law enforcement leader, in their right mind, would want their signature on the form that facilitated a mass murder like this?

there is another option. Its called a binary trigger. Its a $300 upgrade for a gun where you the gun fires when you pull the trigger and then release the trigger, essentially doubling the firing power in Semi auto. Someone who has played with this for a bit could shoot rounds fast enough to make it sound like a slower full auto.

I don't think that is the case here because the firing sounds pretty fast and fluid, unlike a semi auto firing where there would be some variance due to the manual part of it.

You don't need a class III license to to buy a binary trigger.

eCat wrote:to legally get a full auto in Nevada an individual is required to get their Chief Law Enforcement Officer (“CLEO”) to signoff on each Form 1 or Form 4. Some CLEOs take inordinately long to sign off or downright refuse to sign them at all. You must be fingerprinted and photographed as the owner.

What do you have to do to legally get heroin in Nevada?

hedge wrote:

eCat wrote:to legally get a full auto in Nevada an individual is required to get their Chief Law Enforcement Officer (“CLEO”) to signoff on each Form 1 or Form 4. Some CLEOs take inordinately long to sign off or downright refuse to sign them at all. You must be fingerprinted and photographed as the owner.

What do you have to do to legally get heroin in Nevada?

not following you on that one

Still just making the point that just b/c something is illegal doesn't mean it's very difficult to obtain...

eCat wrote:on the way out the door to work I heard Tom Brokaw already banging the drum

"now maybe we can finally have a serious conversation about why we keep having these mass shootings in America"

It's purely a numbers game. 360 mil Americans are horrified at the news, while a few hundred are fantasizing about how they could have pulled this off and done a better job. Later on somebody will try.

Unstable people used to just kill themselves but now a subset wants to give the middle finger to the life they're leaving behind by going on a murder spree. Guns aren't going anywhere, neither is mental illness, so there's really not a whole lot to converse about imo.

true

"Our grief isn't enough. We can and must put politics aside, stand up to the NRA, and work together to try to stop this from happening again"....Hillary Clinton

we must put politics aside to go with the democratic agenda for a tragedy that isn't 12 hours old yet

Not trying to make light of the situation... but all of those people ducking and running and trying not to spill their beer..

video of one guy flipping the shooter off while holding a beer. He looks a bit drunk

I've heard some complaints about this pretty boy alt country music, but this guy took it too far...

it would make sense if it was a Nickelback concert

(actually I don't really understand why Nickelback is the goto joke for bands people hate but it works)

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ISIS is apparently now claiming responsibility for this. I think that'd be pretty surprising. I'm thinking this is more of a Charles Whitman, brain tumor/mental disease type situation.

Guns aren't going anywhere, neither is mental illness, so there's really not a whole lot to converse about imo.


Here here.

"Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get."

Along the lines of my total non-surprise that someone could get their hands on an automatic weapon relatively easy in this country, I'm pretty sure he could've gotten a silencer if he had wanted one, irregardless of the NRA's position on them or the current laws ostensibly governing their procurement...

aTm wrote:ISIS is apparently now claiming responsibility for this. I think that'd be pretty surprising. I'm thinking this is more of a Charles Whitman, brain tumor/mental disease type situation.

dude had a good life - its hard to imagine what would set him off.

The AP is reporting about the guy apparently having had some big gambling losses.

Wouldn't you know it. A fucking sore loser.

eCat wrote:

aTm wrote:ISIS is apparently now claiming responsibility for this. I think that'd be pretty surprising. I'm thinking this is more of a Charles Whitman, brain tumor/mental disease type situation.

dude had a good life - its hard to imagine what would set him off.

If not mental issues, maybe a rich guy who blew it all at the tables going out before it all caught up to him?

aTm wrote:

eCat wrote:

aTm wrote:ISIS is apparently now claiming responsibility for this. I think that'd be pretty surprising. I'm thinking this is more of a Charles Whitman, brain tumor/mental disease type situation.

dude had a good life - its hard to imagine what would set him off.

If not mental issues, maybe a rich guy who blew it all at the tables going out before it all caught up to him?

doesn't sound like the motive of a man with 10 guns and a tripod mounted camera recording it. I guess its possible.

US manufacturing activity hits 13-year high; construction spending up

U.S. factory activity surged to a more than 13-year high in September amid strong gains in new orders and raw material prices.
The ISM said its index of national factory activity surged to a reading of 60.8 last month, the highest reading since May 2004.
The acceleration in manufacturing activity and the accompanying increase in prices could harden expectations that the Fed will raise interest rates.

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