The Goat Pen

bluetick wrote:Scientists have pieced together a record of Earth’s climate, dating back hundreds of thousands of years (and, in some cases, millions or hundreds of millions of years), by analyzing a number of indirect measures of climate such as ice cores, tree rings, glacier lengths, pollen remains, and ocean sediments, and by studying changes in Earth’s orbit around the sun.[2]

This record shows that the climate system varies naturally over a wide range of time scales. In general, climate changes prior to the Industrial Revolution in the 1700s can be explained by natural causes, such as changes in solar energy, volcanic eruptions, and natural changes in greenhouse gas (GHG) concentrations.[2]

Recent climate changes, however, cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Research indicates that natural causes do not explain most observed warming, especially warming since the mid-20th century. Rather, it is extremely likely that human activities have been the dominant cause of that warming.[2]


From the U.S. EPA website...(while they still have a website) (while we still have an EPA)

As if the EPA was some objective disinterested entity.

The modern AGW religion is not about science. It is about ideology. The Infallible AGW Gospel teaches that the earth's latest and minor variations in temperature are not, cannot, be occurring naturally, like the beginning and end of the Ice Age. No, any recent and minor variations of the earth's temperature MUST be the result of human activity, and MUST be apocalyptic. Thus saith the EPA. Amen.

When their own science proved that the earth hasn't heated up in the past 30 years, they rejected their own science. First, they circulated a bunch of emails expressing panic that their "science" was disproving their Holy Dogma. Then, they just started changing the way they did their "science," torturing it like a political prisoner, until it finally started to parrot the desired ideological demands of the torturers.

bluetick wrote:

Toemeesleather wrote:
Global warming...climate change....EPA(govt)....control, it all fits.

Can YOU think of scientific discoveries since the 4th century B.C. that have become the basis of civilization's laws throughout history? There are MANY! You're local library is a great source of information on this topic. Do you understand topics? Again - check out your local library!

I recommend The Population Bomb by Paul Ehrlich.

Or "Essay on the Principles of Population" by Robert Malthus. He even had his own "hockey stick":

I also recommend The Ultimate Resource by Julian Simon.

If you want the best catalog of climate hysterical predictions that went bust, I recommend the Gospel according to St. Algore, "An Inconvenient Truth."

[youtube]DTDixBG5qF4[/youtube]

Also one of your faves.

Chris Christie: Donald Jr. Getting Russian Oppo Research is Probably Illegal - AP

The bigger the jilted ones are, the harder they fall on you.

You're getting plum giddy.

Winning the SEC East is probably off the table. What else have I got?

you know the air in China is polluted when a steam train goes thru and ignites the particles in the air::::wrong - corrected in comments

igniting particles in the stack

That's would be a great video entrance for a Western movie where the Devil comes to town.

i would leave Obamacare in place

its dying a slow death anyway as one insurer after another pulls out

the problem of what to replace it with will be easier to solve and dems repubs more likely to get something on board when the public is screaming at them

thing about ER's is no matter what you cant be turned away for emergency care

slippery slope when trying to provide medical care to those who can't or wont pay anything

crashcourse wrote:i would leave Obamacare in place

its dying a slow death anyway as one insurer after another pulls out

the problem of what to replace it with will be easier to solve and dems repubs more likely to get something on board when the public is screaming at them

thing about ER's is no matter what you cant be turned away for emergency care

slippery slope when trying to provide medical care to those who can't or wont pay anything

even if they did, the Elizabeth Warrens would lead the charge to claim that the republicans undermined it from day one and it was doomed to fail because of them

this is the logic that drives the liberals



meanwhile, I don't know the whole story but a Muslim cop in Minneapolis shot an unarmed woman , apparently to the shock of his partner and reddit is losing its mind over it. Sharia law is being mentioned quite a bit but I haven't read a story about it because it would seem there isn't as much interest in reporting it (the assumption being he isn't a white cop and didn't shoot a black man so why is it newsworthy?)

Where are the russians when you need them?

Funny how only the Podesta emails and DNC emails were leaked. By the Russians. After meeting(s) between the Trump campaign and people pledging support of the Russian government. And after Trump himself stood before the mics and asked the Russians to hack his opponent.

Yeah, funny how that works.

crashcourse wrote:i would leave Obamacare in place

its dying a slow death anyway as one insurer after another pulls out

the problem of what to replace it with will be easier to solve and dems repubs more likely to get something on board when the public is screaming at them

thing about ER's is no matter what you cant be turned away for emergency care

slippery slope when trying to provide medical care to those who can't or wont pay anything

People that pay little or no are at least getting preventive care. Preventive care means a few hundred bucks for early treatment eliminates 5-6 figure emergency operations later on, paid by you and me.

The majority of Americans wants to fix obamacare and keep tens of millions of uninsured from clogging the ERs again.

bluetick wrote:

crashcourse wrote:i would leave Obamacare in place

its dying a slow death anyway as one insurer after another pulls out

the problem of what to replace it with will be easier to solve and dems repubs more likely to get something on board when the public is screaming at them

thing about ER's is no matter what you cant be turned away for emergency care

slippery slope when trying to provide medical care to those who can't or wont pay anything

People that pay little or no are at least getting preventive care. Preventive care means a few hundred bucks for early treatment eliminates 5-6 figure emergency operations later on, paid by you and me.

The majority of Americans wants to fix obamacare and keep tens of millions of uninsured from clogging the ERs again.

no they don't

they want affordable health care and the people screaming the loudest for it are the ones who are getting the subsidies from the government to pay for it. Its depressing when you see a room full of angry people at a town hall demanding that politicians "do their job" by giving them subsidized health care. To forgive their student debt. To increase minimum wage. The solutions are never for the government to give money to anyone.


The majority of people want affordable health care that was comparable to the quality of health care they had before or at least what other people had. The ones who have to pay for it on their own versus a handout from the government are the one who don't give a damn whether Obamacare is repealed or not. There is nothing affordable about subsidized health care unless you're the one getting the handout. Its moronic.

Had the government decided to care as much about the people who pay for their health care as they do the people who expect a government handout, they wouldn't be having to repeal anything. Instead they took a we'll take from the haves and give to the have nots and have a parade about how great we are, which is the liberal play book.

Hence Donald Trump as President. And Obama's landmark piece of legislation that he thought would get him on Mount Rushmore will crash and burn leaving millions no better off than where they started.

bluetick wrote:

Funny how only the Podesta emails and DNC emails were leaked. By the Russians. After meeting(s) between the Trump campaign and people pledging support of the Russian government. And after Trump himself stood before the mics and asked the Russians to hack his opponent.

Yeah, funny how that works.

Ain't America great.

Its takes a foreign government to show the people who the real scumbags are

and liberals wonder why people would elect a guy like Trump over an established politician.

But yet these same rebels continue to reelect their congressmen election after election after election...

hedge wrote:But yet these same rebels continue to reelect their congressmen election after election after election...

I have no answer as to why a Lindsay Graham, John McCain or Mitch McConnell continue to be elected.