The Goat Pen

Me: Why should gay marriage be illegal or disallowed?

You: I don't have to prove a negative!

All you are saying is that anyone who doesn't think like YOU is bad.

You don't think this happens ALL THE TIME with airline employees out West? Get the fuck out of Alabama and move out to Arizona/Nevada/California/Utah/New Mexico/Texas and work for Southwest Airlines for a little while, talk to a few flight attendants who have had 3 or 4 divorces before their 35th birthday and get back to me, okay?

AlabamAlum wrote:

All you are saying is that anyone who doesn't think like YOU is bad.

Cite where I said this or retract your statement.

AlabamAlum wrote:Gays are living together, and have been, as significant others for a loooong time. Allowing them a marriage certificate has become a Chicken Little moment for many right-wingers. The argument that you can't allow something that would cause the extinction of humans (if everyone did it) is beyond silly, but the argument that only allowing these unions between fertile heterosexuals to fulfill a biological imperative is even sillier.

AlabamAlum wrote:

You don't think this happens ALL THE TIME with airline employees out West? Get the fuck out of Alabama and move out to Arizona/Nevada/California/Utah/New Mexico/Texas and work for Southwest Airlines for a little while, talk to a few flight attendants who have had 3 or 4 divorces before their 35th birthday and get back to me, okay?

So, there have been flight attendants who have had sham (hetero) marriages to get the airline flight benefit?

AlabamAlum wrote:Is this an indictment against hetero marriage?

AlabamAlum wrote:Does this mean that airline employees should not get the benefit? Does this mean that all marriage should be made illegal?

...is insulting. You are insulting me personally just because I stick my hand in the air and say "Wait a minute, what are we doing here?" You are de-legitimizing my argument without even taking the time to listen to it.

innocentbystander wrote:

AlabamAlum wrote:

You don't think this happens ALL THE TIME with airline employees out West? Get the fuck out of Alabama and move out to Arizona/Nevada/California/Utah/New Mexico/Texas and work for Southwest Airlines for a little while, talk to a few flight attendants who have had 3 or 4 divorces before their 35th birthday and get back to me, okay?

So, there have been flight attendants who have had sham (hetero) marriages to get the airline flight benefit?

For their boyfriends and girlfriends, yes.

AlabamAlum wrote:Is this an indictment against hetero marriage?

It is an indictment against No Fault Divorce law. You can get a quickie divorce in Nevada in one week. It is done routinely. If this were not the law there in that state, (the same state where that 16 year old girl married that 51 year old lecherous pervert) then these marriages would not be happening.

AlabamAlum wrote:Does this mean that airline employees should not get the benefit? Does this mean that all marriage should be made illegal?

There are no airlines without the free flight benefit. None. You aren't going to find many skilled people willing to work for airline wages without that benefit. You know how much baggage handlers make? It is less than a 16 year old gets and Inn-n-Out AA. You know a first officer gets like $21,000/year the first year? You think ANYONE (with the kind of education airline employees have) would work for these compensations without the flight benefit? No chance AA.

I know of airline employees who work at airlines just so their children and their parents can fly for free, and their parents give their adult children a personal stipend just to keep them working there! That is how valuable that benefit is.

And I'm not daft. I just know about the airline industry, okay?

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination … End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I’m confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.

It's me Karen wrote:

GBJs wrote:

It's me Karen wrote:Unless I'm missing something, I meant politically correct...

Ohhh...well that's just as bad.

You have me sooo curious as to what PC means to you.

Dora wrote:Airlines have been giving these spousal travel benefits forever. People in the airline industry do not have a higher divorce rate than others.

Dora, from someone who works in the industry, are you sure you want to use the industry with some of the least satisfied users there is to base an argument on???

AlabamAlum wrote:DSL,

One of my favorite OT stories comes from Second Kings. Elisha, the prophet, was chillin'
with his homies and some kids came up and called him "bald head". This pissed Elisha off so he asked God to lower the boom, and lower the boom, He did: God sent two bears in to rip 42 children to shreds.

Bald Head + God 42, Taunting Children 0.


Although, this really needs to be moved to the religion thread now.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

AlabamAlum wrote:DSL,

One of my favorite OT stories comes from Second Kings. Elisha, the prophet, was chillin'
with his homies and some kids came up and called him "bald head". This pissed Elisha off so he asked God to lower the boom, and lower the boom, He did: God sent two bears in to rip 42 children to shreds.

Bald Head + God 42, Taunting Children 0.


Although, this really needs to be moved to the religion thread now.

A true classic.

One of my favorites is when Noah's daughters get him drunk as hell then have sex with him in order to repopulate the Earth. So we're all descendents of a drunken incestuous orgy...awesome

wiki wrote:Here was a family who at one time had everything. They had livestock, wealth from Egypt, and a large family. With the destruction of their city came huge losses: their home and all of their possessions, each of the girl’s fiancés,[Gen.19:14] and most notably the loss of a wife who was mother. Now, they are nothing but three cave dwellers.

They spent a long time in seclusion and they were aging. The oldest daughter had become concerned about preserving their family line and suggested to her younger sister that since there are no men around, they ought to take advantage of their father.[v.31,32]

Thus, the daughters got their father so drunk they were able to have intercourse with him on two consecutive nights, the oldest daughter having her way with him the first night, followed by the youngest daughter on the following night.[v.31-35] Interestingly, the text says that Lot was so drunk “he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.”[v.33,35] This text suggests a justification for an action that was not considered normal.