The Goat Pen

Rick Perry

Is he who we think he is...is he who he thinks he is?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... s-20111026

after reading that I realize that a Perry presidency would be worse than a Bush presidency, and I didn't think that was possible

Thats not shocking to me, if they were running against each other it wouldn't take any thought at all to pick which one to vote for.

I gotta believe that if Perry gets the nomination, the democrats would shred him and Obama would kill him in debates.

I understand why the GOP is ignoring the Tea Party for Cain and Perry. Romney is their only real hope of surviving the debates and public scrutiny after the nomination.

Perhaps naively, I still have to believe that Ron Paul does represent a threat to Obama by pulling in independent and moderate voters, as well as some democrats, but unfortunately won't pull in the votes from the republican party to get the chance.

Rick Perry tells Bill O’Reilly it’s Herman Cain’s “turn in the barrel,” but governor finishes far behind Cain in O’Reilly’s straw poll


http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/11 ... traw-poll/

Rick Perry feels Herman Cain’s pain. After all, he had his turn as Republican presidential frontrunner and a self-described “piñata” for his rivals and the media.

But the Texas governor’s empathy for Cain goes only so far. After all, the Georgia businessman is standing in the way of Perry’s presidential aspirations.

“It’s Herman’s turn in the barrel,” Perry said on conservative commentator Bill O’Reilly’s radio program yesterday.

Cain has been at the center of a media firestorm over sexual harassment allegations. Perry told O’Reilly that the red-hot media spotlight on the former National Restaurant Association CEO was inevitable.

“Any time that you rise to the top of the polls, any time that you appear that you are going to be an individual of substance that those on the left are concerned about, you’re going to get whacked,” Perry said.

The Texas governor did not blame the media for his decline in polls over the past six weeks, saying “they are giving me (as) fair a shake as anyone else.”

O’Reilly’s radio special included interviews with all major Republican candidates and concluded with a straw poll.

After O’Reilly disqualified Texas Rep. Ron Paul from the straw poll (after all, Paul wins almost every straw poll out there), former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was the winner. Perry finished fourth behind Gingrich, Cain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

After O’Reilly disqualified Texas Rep. Ron Paul from the straw poll (after all, Paul wins almost every straw poll out there), former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was the winner. Perry finished fourth behind Gingrich, Cain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Bet this really irritates eCat

eCat wrote:French President Nicolas Sarkozy reportedly told US President Barack Obama that he could not "stand" Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and that he thinks the Israeli premier "is a liar."


According to a Monday report in the French website "Arret sur Images," after facing reporters for a G20 press conference on Thursday, the two presidents retired to a private room, to further discuss the matters of the day.



The conversation apparently began with President Obama criticizing Sarkozy for not having warned him that France would be voting in favor of the Palestinian membership bid in UNESCO despite Washington's strong objection to the move.



The conversation then drifted to Netanyahu, at which time Sarkozy declared: "I cannot stand him. He is a liar." According to the report, Obama replied: "You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him every day!"



The remark was naturally meant to be said in confidence, but the two leaders' microphones were accidently left on, making the would-be private comment embarrassingly public.

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and that is the only reason I voted for Obama.

Watch the Republicans use this effectively.

I"m sure they'll try but this isn't anything new.

Obama isn't an Israel fan. I knew this going in, why the Democratic Jews didn't, I have no idea

Owlman wrote:

After O’Reilly disqualified Texas Rep. Ron Paul from the straw poll (after all, Paul wins almost every straw poll out there), former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was the winner. Perry finished fourth behind Gingrich, Cain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Bet this really irritates eCat

it just shows the straw polls are easily manipulated which makes me wonder why anyone references them anyway

Ron Paul: DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron Paul: Elizabeth Warren Is a ‘Socialist,‘ Public Schooling Is a ’Socialist Idea’


http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul--elizabe ... idea’.html

.In an ABC News/Yahoo! News interview Tuesday, Republican presidential candidate Texas Rep. Ron Paul took a few jabs at Keynesian economics, a Massachusetts senate candidate, and one of our society’s keystone institutions.
After interviewer Terry Moran read a controversial quote from Massachusetts U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, that “there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own,” Rep. Paul said Warren was wrong “because she is a socialist.” When asked about Warren’s comments on public education and whether public schooling is socialism, Rep. Paul said “In a way. When the state runs things, that is you know, a socialist idea, that it should be collective. I preach homeschooling and private schooling and competition in school.”

Hey Kasich, the Ohio voters called, they said to go fuck yourself you unpleasant douche nozzle.

I voted no on 2, yes on 3

apparently so did the rest of the state

Yep. And fuck those old crusty judges too.

Owlman wrote:Ron Paul: DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron Paul: Elizabeth Warren Is a ‘Socialist,‘ Public Schooling Is a ’Socialist Idea’


http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul--elizabe ... idea’.html

.In an ABC News/Yahoo! News interview Tuesday, Republican presidential candidate Texas Rep. Ron Paul took a few jabs at Keynesian economics, a Massachusetts senate candidate, and one of our society’s keystone institutions.
After interviewer Terry Moran read a controversial quote from Massachusetts U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, that “there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own,” Rep. Paul said Warren was wrong “because she is a socialist.” When asked about Warren’s comments on public education and whether public schooling is socialism, Rep. Paul said “In a way. When the state runs things, that is you know, a socialist idea, that it should be collective. I preach homeschooling and private schooling and competition in school.”

yea well Ron is Ron. He says what he thinks.

sitting on the jury this morning.

guy demands to get high on heroin to dude. Dude leaves to buy heroin, brings it back, shoots up with guy, they both O.D., Dude wakes up next to guy, guy is stone cold dead. Dude throws away heroin, Dude calls police, they show up and arrest his ass.

Trafficking in Heroin? OK
Tampering with evidence? Well, whatever, OK - he just did what everyone else would have done in that situation but I can see that
Involuntary Manslaughter? Umm..No, wtf? He sold drugs , he didn't inject the shit in the guys veins.

so the grand jury indicts on the first two, refuses to indict on the last one.

This pisses off the D.A. who comes in and lectures us about our obligation and our oath to uphold the law. Points out that you can't convict to trafficking and then ignore he played a role in the guys death.

Reluctantly we go back and then change our mind about the indictment. To the letter of the law it was the right thing to do but it didn't feel right.

Points out that you can't convict to trafficking and then ignore he played a role in the guys death.

why not? by that logic car dealerships would be liable for traffic accidents.

I'm not even sure that's trafficking. Then again, it is Clermont County. Is the guy black? Dude brought drugs to a party. Man up E!

Did he hold a gun to the guys head to inject it into his veins? Dude begged him to get him for it right? Maybe Dude said if you don't get it for me I will kill you. Posession, Abuse of drugs and tampering with evidence maybe but your group made the wrong call on this one. The DA intimated you.

the way he explained it is that almost all overdoses are involuntary manslaughter except it is exceedingly difficult to tie the drugs sold from the drug dealer.

In this case, the drug dealer admitted to purchasing and selling drugs to the victim, then sat around with a dead guy on their floor

Still don't see how manslaughter plays into to it.