The Goat Pen

Saint wrote:So what's the difference between the people killed everywhere else in America by drug freaks? They don't think twice about killing, hurting, stealing their FELLOW American citizens. Why do the folks living in west or south Texas deserve a shitload of taxpayer money for their protection? And what happened to open carry? I thought we were about making our own way and shooting a fucker between the eyes if he looked like he (or she) was a no-good Mexican drug runner instead of calling 911.

Hey man, I get the problem but you're drawing arbitrary lines of protection and taxpayer expense and leaving it open-ended enough that anyone who wants protection is going to start whining about it and the next thing you know, the gov't and military is up in everyone's business. I know if you have family there (although if it's your wife's family that doesn't really count) and there's a concern but this is War on Drugs shit. You are not going to fix that problem by building a wall or even putting armed guards there 24/7. That's going to take a comprehensive plan that does or does not involve the Mexican gov't and will seek to destroy those cartels where they stand.

Or, as Hedge said, we could legalize it all and the problem pretty much goes anyway.

Bklyn wrote:You think a border wall will halt narcotrafficking?

Bklyn wrote:We will forever disagree on that one, then.

Bklyn wrote:So Sessions met with the Russians during the campaign. It was not offered during his Senate confirmation meetings.

It's obvious the leaks are being done after it becomes painfully clear the Executive branch will not be truthful with items. They leak weeks later...giving ample time for truth to come out. When the Executive branch openly denies, they leak the truth.

eCat wrote:

hedge wrote:"pay attention to what is happening along the border with the cartels smuggling, the mules and the traffickers"

That's a direct consequence of our stupid drug laws. Change the laws and that problem disappears immediately...

or secure our border

hedge wrote:

eCat wrote:

hedge wrote:"pay attention to what is happening along the border with the cartels smuggling, the mules and the traffickers"

That's a direct consequence of our stupid drug laws. Change the laws and that problem disappears immediately...

or secure our border

My solution is a hell of a lot cheaper and more effective. Of course, that is precisely why lawmakers in DC prefer your "solution"...

eCat wrote:so you're argument is that the legalization of stuff that kills more people justifies the legalization of other stuff that will kill people?

hedge wrote:

eCat wrote:so you're argument is that the legalization of stuff that kills more people justifies the legalization of other stuff that will kill people?

Why not? Otherwise, it's just a random choice of what's allowed and what's not. And who gets to decide? Everyone should be able to make that kind of choice for themselves. Obviously if you're not worried about tobacco and alcohol being legal, what possible objection can you have against heroin or anything else? It can't be that it kills some of the people that use it, b/c you don't care about the massively higher number of people who die from the drugs that you don't mind being legal. So you have no argument in that regard. If it's a question of not wanting more people to start using it, I'll let the sometime hero of libertarians everywhere address that:

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