The Goat Pen

Toemeesleather wrote:

Them's some mighty big blinders you got on there, brah[/quote]

Blame the Bureau of Justice Statistics - that's where I got the numbers. http://www.bjs.gov/

.....serious question, do you think OJ killed Nicole and Ron?

No, but I believe the killer was named Simpson. An LAPD detective I knew at the time said the theory was that the killer was Jason Simpson, OJ's son from a prior marriage, and they were bracing OJ to get him to rat on Jason. There's a couple recent books out (I haven't read either of them) http://www.businessinsider.com/oj-simps ... son-2012-4 that go really in depth.

OJ was no "icon" in the black community requiring knee jerk support. He was basically a white man in blackface. He married a white woman, hung out with black Republicans like Ward Connerly (the man who ended Affirmative Action in California Universities) and NEVER supported any "black" causes or institutions. The first time he was ever seen in a "black" church in L.A. was after his acquittal. To the extent blacks in LA were relieved by his conviction, it was because the evidence against OJ didn't smell right. Remember, this is a town where rich guys kill women all the time and get off - Claus Von Bulow, Robert Blake, etc. If you have a high-dollar attorney, they need to have you on video tape confessing in order to convict you (which is the only reason they convicted Phil Spector - they have him confessing on video tape).

MY reasoning (besides the cop I know) for thinking OJ was innocent:

1) The timeline. For the killing to go down according to the police theory, everything would've had to go perfectly in order for OJ to catch his plane. Things rarely go perfect in LA, if only because of the traffic.

2) The evidence. Yes, there was a microdot of blood in OJs Bronco. 2 other people (including Jason) had access to the Bronco and, given the nature of the killings and the timeline, there should've been a LOT more blood and to assume OJ got rid of bloody clothes, a murder weapon, etc. in the time period before catching the plane requires the belief that OJ was some sort of criminal genius who planned this all out step-by-step and executed it perfectly. I am not convinced that OJ even graduated HS (he went to a JC that was known for working with HS dropouts and getting them D-1 football eligible).

3) The crime itself. OJ had a plane to catch. Who goes over to their ex wife's place when they have to go out of town in an hour - which is what is required in the "crime of passion" theory. If one assumes premeditation, OJ was business partners with guys who could have had Nicole killed for $500. 50 year old rich guys don't stab people to death.

HAVING SAID THAT . . . I've been in rooms with OJ after his acquittal and I've determined that I'll never be alone with him.

innocentbystander wrote:

Johnette's Daddy wrote:This is an argument I don't get. White people kill white people. Hispanic people kill Hispanic people. Asian people kill Asian people. There were 13,646 homicide victims in the last reporting year. The majority of them were white, as was the overwhelming majority of their killers. Yet you never hear about the epidemic of white-on-white crime.

Because white people don't care when a white drug dealer kills another white drug dealer. To us, that is not an epidemic. It isn't even news worthy. It is two criminals who don't care whose lives they destroy trying to destroy each other.

We care when truly innocent people are victimized (such as Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.) NOW we care.

Did you care when Medgar Evers was victimized? What about James Byrd?

Johnette's Daddy wrote:

innocentbystander wrote:

Johnette's Daddy wrote:This is an argument I don't get. White people kill white people. Hispanic people kill Hispanic people. Asian people kill Asian people. There were 13,646 homicide victims in the last reporting year. The majority of them were white, as was the overwhelming majority of their killers. Yet you never hear about the epidemic of white-on-white crime.

Because white people don't care when a white drug dealer kills another white drug dealer. To us, that is not an epidemic. It isn't even news worthy. It is two criminals who don't care whose lives they destroy trying to destroy each other.

We care when truly innocent people are victimized (such as Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.) NOW we care.

Did you care when Medgar Evers was victimized? What about James Byrd?

I care. They caught the bastards who murdered James Byrd. One is executed, good riddance. One will be soon. The third will never leave prison. Justice is served. Don't break the law in Texas.

Medger Evers? Well his was one of the nine graves I personally visited at Arlington National Cemetery, so yes, I care. He died before I was born so I don't have the connection to him, but I care.

Here ya go, toe. From one of your corporate masters/heroes, no less.

WHY DOES THE ECONOMY STINK? BECAUSE AMERICA'S OWNERS ARE GREEDIER NOW THAN EVER BEFORE - Business Insider, Aug 19, 2014

http://www.businessinsider.com/profits- ... low-2014-8

Johnette's Daddy wrote:

.....serious question, do you think OJ killed Nicole and Ron?

No, but I believe the killer was named Simpson. An LAPD detective I knew at the time said the theory was that the killer was Jason Simpson, OJ's son from a prior marriage, and they were bracing OJ to get him to rat on Jason. There's a couple recent books out (I haven't read either of them) http://www.businessinsider.com/oj-simps ... son-2012-4 that go really in depth.

Yes I've read those books too, I'm buying what you are selling JD. Neither does the LA DA's office or they would have prosecuted Jason. As far as I know, there is now statuate of limitations on murder, they can STILL prosecute OJ's son if they wanted to, but they don't. They don't because he didn't murder his step-mom. The murderer was found not guilty and was eventually arrested and convicted for another crime in Las Vegas.

Johnette's Daddy wrote:

Toemeesleather wrote:

Them's some mighty big blinders you got on there, brah

Blame the Bureau of Justice Statistics - that's where I got the numbers. http://www.bjs.gov/

.....serious question, do you think OJ killed Nicole and Ron?

No, but I believe the killer was named Simpson. An LAPD detective I knew at the time said the theory was that the killer was Jason Simpson, OJ's son from a prior marriage, and they were bracing OJ to get him to rat on Jason. There's a couple recent books out (I haven't read either of them) http://www.businessinsider.com/oj-simps ... son-2012-4 that go really in depth.

OJ was no "icon" in the black community requiring knee jerk support. He was basically a white man in blackface. He married a white woman, hung out with black Republicans like Ward Connerly (the man who ended Affirmative Action in California Universities) and NEVER supported any "black" causes or institutions. The first time he was ever seen in a "black" church in L.A. was after his acquittal. To the extent blacks in LA were relieved by his conviction, it was because the evidence against OJ didn't smell right. Remember, this is a town where rich guys kill women all the time and get off - Claus Von Bulow, Robert Blake, etc. If you have a high-dollar attorney, they need to have you on video tape confessing in order to convict you (which is the only reason they convicted Phil Spector - they have him confessing on video tape).

MY reasoning (besides the cop I know) for thinking OJ was innocent:

1) The timeline. For the killing to go down according to the police theory, everything would've had to go perfectly in order for OJ to catch his plane. Things rarely go perfect in LA, if only because of the traffic.

2) The evidence. Yes, there was a microdot of blood in OJs Bronco. 2 other people (including Jason) had access to the Bronco and, given the nature of the killings and the timeline, there should've been a LOT more blood and to assume OJ got rid of bloody clothes, a murder weapon, etc. in the time period before catching the plane requires the belief that OJ was some sort of criminal genius who planned this all out step-by-step and executed it perfectly. I am not convinced that OJ even graduated HS (he went to a JC that was known for working with HS dropouts and getting them D-1 football eligible).

3) The crime itself. OJ had a plane to catch. Who goes over to their ex wife's place when they have to go out of town in an hour - which is what is required in the "crime of passion" theory. If one assumes premeditation, OJ was business partners with guys who could have had Nicole killed for $500. 50 year old rich guys don't stab people to death.

HAVING SAID THAT . . . I've been in rooms with OJ after his acquittal and I've determined that I'll never be alone with him.[/quote]



Appreciate the honesty. I'll cease bothering you anymore.....good grief.

I guess it only takes 5-6 years for the elite to catch on to what us un-washed have known all along.....the NYT is coming around.


The 2004 speech that vaulted Obama into the White House soon after he breezed into town turned out to be wrong. He misdescribed the country he wanted to lead. There is a liberal America and a conservative America. And the red-blue divide has only gotten worse in the last six years.

The man whose singular qualification was as a uniter turns out to be singularly unequipped to operate in a polarized environment.

Toem,

Something else that really bothers me with the way JD analyzed this is the reasons (themselves) as to why he doesn't think OJ did it. Consider:

JD wrote:50 year old rich guys don't stab people to death.

No they don't. They also don't routinely beat the living shit out of their wives the way OJ did to Nicole Brown. He is a violent man, was always a violent man, and shows no remorse for his actions. People were just objects to OJ.

Toemeesleather wrote:I guess it only takes 5-6 years for the elite to catch on to what us un-washed have known all along.....the NYT is coming around.


The 2004 speech that vaulted Obama into the White House soon after he breezed into town turned out to be wrong. He misdescribed the country he wanted to lead. There is a liberal America and a conservative America. And the red-blue divide has only gotten worse in the last six years.

The man whose singular qualification was as a uniter turns out to be singularly unequipped to operate in a polarized environment.

Meh. The NYT still loves him. They are just doing these articles NOW because he already beat Romney and he can't be elected to a third term. They are trying to do HRC a big political favor by discrediting the president now so that she can distance herself (and her polices and what she believes in) from BHO. This is just another article intended to get the true moderates (the Reagan Democrats) to support HRC in 2016 and not bolt for the GOP the way just enough of them did in 2000. (Al Gore paid for Bill Clinton's sexual midconduct by losing just enough moderates in just the right states and just barely losing an election.)

Sure they still gobble him, but honesty from a lefty/leftist org is always worth a chuckle....remember laughter is the best medicine.

Johnette's Daddy wrote:

sardis wrote:You have a Democratic mayor, a Democratic governor, a Democratic Attorney General, and Democratic President...I don't know what JD is worried about.

I fear for those good Americans who have fallen under the sway of boobs like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. When I wrote "you" I didn't mean JD in California. I meant "you" as in this Ferguson situation you have a Dem mayor, governor, AG, and President involved in the investigation so justice will be served in the proper way so there should be no concern from the African American community.

innocentbystander wrote:Toem,

Something else that really bothers me with the way JD analyzed this is the reasons (themselves) as to why he doesn't think OJ did it. Consider:

JD wrote:50 year old rich guys don't stab people to death.

No they don't. They also don't routinely beat the living shit out of their wives the way OJ did to Nicole Brown. He is a violent man, was always a violent man, and shows no remorse for his actions. People were just objects to OJ.

If your point is that OJ is an awful human being, you'll get no argument from me. I just don't think he killed Nicole & Ron.

innocentbystander wrote:Medger Evers? Well his was one of the nine graves I personally visited at Arlington National Cemetery, so yes, I care. He died before I was born so I don't have the connection to him, but I care.

You're one up on me, then. I know his daughter, who is a VP at Northrup-Grumman here in L.A. She's in charge of corporate giving and supported an entertainment-industry non-profit I was connected to, and I've met his widow, as well.

Is JD the new DS?

Heh

bluetick wrote:Here ya go, toe. From one of your corporate masters/heroes, no less.

WHY DOES THE ECONOMY STINK? BECAUSE AMERICA'S OWNERS ARE GREEDIER NOW THAN EVER BEFORE - Business Insider, Aug 19, 2014

http://www.businessinsider.com/profits- ... low-2014-8

Henry Blodgett a corporate master/hero? The guy runs a website that employs 50 people.

Blodgett before that was a bigtime trader with Oppenheimer and Merrill Lynch until he ran afoul of the SEC. The point being...he's no socialist stooge or bleeding heart lib.

Sounds like he is now. Funny how losing all your money will do that to you.

i am amazed that a NYT op-ed writer - especially of the stature of Maureen Dowd - would write a piece so critical of Obama.

This is a sign of the apocalypse.