The Goat Pen

true but for gun people wanting a universal carry clause, its still an unlikely landing spot.

Flynn opened his mouth to the Russian and basically told him whatever Obama does don't worry about it we'll take care of it

dumb thing to do --you have to wait until your sworn in --another rookie move by the incoming

meanwhile national debt went from 10 trillion to 19 trillion from 2008-2016 under obama

there are 60 trillion dollar of unfunded obligations ie social security and medicare and the millennia's will be ;left holding the bag

good thing they are expending all their energy on president agent orange
only way the millennia's get their ass out of going bankrupt is if somebody starts setting the table now
instead they freakout over issues that mean nothing

here's a good immigration video for them

bluetick wrote:I know it's folly but I added my name to the "Trump Release Tax Returns" petition - apparently it's on it's way to a mil signers. So much for the notion that only reporters care about it. Takes half a minute, if anybody's interested. heh

Wow, .3% of the population gives a shit.

"It's clear that he will make decisions that benefit him before the country."

No, if that's the case he wouldn't have run in the first place.

crashcourse wrote:meanwhile national debt went from 10 trillion to 19 trillion from 2008-2016 under obama

there are 60 trillion dollar of unfunded obligations ie social security and medicare and the millennia's will be ;left holding the bag

Our children and (especially) our grand-children are going to HATE US and CURSE US for all the debt that we have left them. And they are right to do it. They didn't sign up for this "social contract." It was unilaterally pressed upon them without their consent. They have to answer for our needless debt the way our generation is still answering for all the needless Baby Boomer debt (America's worst generation.) The Boomers are the worst generation because if you ask your average Boomer, they will tell you that there is nothing wrong with what they did (all that spending and government expansion.)

If you have a soul, be sure to leave your children with the maximum inheritance that you can. Leave them every penny that you can. And vote for every candidate that promises to cut, cut, cut... government.

Seemed like you thought Benghazi was a big enough deal, crash - just as a 'for instance.' Were 9 GOP-led investigations enough? Weren't there issues with the economy that demanded more attention from our Congressional leaders when all that was going on?

I mean - exactly who's 'expending so much energy on president agent orange", as you put it? As yet nobody's formed any committees, hearings haven't been set - you can't get a peep out of the Majority Leaders of the House and Senate. Whatever wounds the WH has suffered to date have all been self-inflicted, right?

Trump just needs to get it in gear. Build that damn wall and kill opramacare. At lease get started...day one is almost a month back now. Bring all those jobs home and put some shine on the Rust Belt. Get It on, bang the gong. Or to paraphrase The King: " a little less tweet and a little more action."

First actually impeached President.

What about Johnson and Clinton?

You realize that the thing that infuriates Trump the most is when people claim he has less money than he says he does. That's the whole reason he won't release his tax forms and should be the whole reason that we demand that he does. Fucking with Trump should be a priority of every patriot.

Real estate developers do make less from a tax prospective than they actually make economically. The RE lobby is so huge they get a lot of loopholes and special deductions. They get to write 50% of leasehold and retail/restaurant improvements in the first year, they get to defer gains on exchanging of properties, etc. All my real estate clients look like paupers on their tax return compared to what they actually make. Even had one client get the earned income credit even though he was living in a million dollar home in Myers Park. And many still have loss carryovers from the recession years. We know that he has massive losses because of what we heard from the audit.

when you have tic and IB agree with your posts you just have to sit back and wonder if your headed in the right direction or maybe your completely misguided in everything you believe in

sardis wrote:
Wow, .3% of the population gives a shit.

"It's clear that he will make decisions that benefit him before the country."

No, if that's the case he wouldn't have run in the first place.

Oh what horseshit, nobody runs because they want to put their country first. People run for President cause they are massive ego douchebag politicians (or in this case, celebrities).

Wanting to run in the first place should disqualify you from the office[/HGTTG]

"Our children and (especially) our grand-children are going to HATE US and CURSE US"

That's a certainty in your case...

Kellyanne is moving up to #2 on the Survivor List, after Flynn. She is looking more and more worn out. Reince will outlast her, I bet.

http://uproxx.com/news/matt-lauer-kelly ... -no-sense/

The United States is much better off without Michael Flynn serving as national security adviser. But no one should be cheering the way he was brought down.

The whole episode is evidence of the precipitous and ongoing collapse of America's democratic institutions — not a sign of their resiliency. Flynn's ouster was a soft coup (or political assassination) engineered by anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats. The results might be salutary, but this isn't the way a liberal democracy is supposed to function.

Unelected intelligence analysts work for the president, not the other way around. Far too many Trump critics appear not to care that these intelligence agents leaked highly sensitive information to the press — mostly because Trump critics are pleased with the result. "Finally," they say, "someone took a stand to expose collusion between the Russians and a senior aide to the president!" It is indeed important that someone took such a stand. But it matters greatly who that someone is and how they take their stand. Members of the unelected, unaccountable intelligence community are not the right someone, especially when they target a senior aide to the president by leaking anonymously to newspapers the content of classified phone intercepts, where the unverified, unsubstantiated information can inflict politically fatal damage almost instantaneously.

President Trump was roundly mocked among liberals for that tweet. But he is, in many ways, correct. These leaks are an enormous problem. And in a less polarized context, they would be recognized immediately for what they clearly are: an effort to manipulate public opinion for the sake of achieving a desired political outcome. It's weaponized spin........

no matter what Flynn did, it is simply not the role of the deep state to target a man working in one of the political branches of the government by dishing to reporters about information it has gathered clandestinely. It is the role of elected members of Congress to conduct public investigations of alleged wrongdoing by public officials.

As Eli Lake of Bloomberg News put it in an important article following Flynn's resignation,

Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do. [Bloomberg]

Those cheering the deep state torpedoing of Flynn are saying, in effect, that a police state is perfectly fine so long as it helps to bring down Trump.

Who wrote that?

I believe Kellyanne is gone. Or I'll be soon.

AlabamAlum wrote:Who wrote that?

http://theweek.com/articles/680068/amer ... y-worrying

A guy name Damon Linker at the Week.com

10ac wrote:What about Johnson and Clinton?

Never made it to court.

AlabamAlum wrote:I believe Kellyanne is gone. Or I'll be soon.

You leaving again?