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puterbac wrote:

bluetick wrote:So in the course of the struggle through the patrol car window, the officer got socked in the eye. Still not sure that vindicates the shooter for what happened 30-45 seconds later and 30 feet away.

Maybe not by itself, but the robbery video, broken bones in face, wild shot fired in car equal Brown clearly had no respect for authority (quote Cartman here) and he crossed a HUGE line by assaulting a cop and at least gave the cop the impression he was after his gun. If Brown then turned back and actually charged at the cop, what is he supposed to think or do? A 6'4" 300 lb man punched me in the face and went after my gun. He is now charging at me and has already went after my gun. The cop is in a huge physical mis-match and fears for his life and starts firing.

I was leaning towards Brown's side in all of this until this morning when crashcourse mentioned the orbital blowout fracture. Lets hope that the cop can actually SEE out of that eye. That is horrible. I'm sure he's had emergency surgery by now, just terrible.

puterbac wrote:
If Brown then turned back and actually charged at the cop, what is he supposed to think or do?

"If" being the key word. 3 witnesses say the cop shot the kid as he was moving away, whereas some audio tape conversation has the kid going back after the cop. Hopefully there's enough evidence that will show what actually happened.

There's not a cop on the planet that's never had a physical altercation (aka tussle) with somebody while on duty. Bit, shoved, punched, kicked in the balls...I got to experience all of that my first week working the drunk tank. Using deadly force meant the other guy had a weapon....and a balled-up fist didn't fit the bill. Just sayin'..

"I was leaning towards Brown's side in all of this until this morning when crashcourse mentioned the orbital blowout fracture."

Riiiiiiggghhhttt....

Speaking about mismatches, the biggest concern about female deputies were the physical demands of the job and the fear that women would resort to deadly force more often than men because of all-to-frequent physical mismatches. But that proved not to be the case (sorry, IB).

From Criminal Justice Policy and Review:

Past research on police shootings, when examining officer characteristics, has focused on gender, education, age, and history of shooting. Male officers were more likely to shoot than their female counterparts, and college-educated officers were less likely to be involved in shootings than officers with no college education. Risk of officer-involved shooting was reduced as the officer aged. White, non-Hispanic officers were more likely to shoot than Hispanic officers; however, there was no significant difference between Hispanic and Black officers. Officers with a previous history of shooting were more than 51% as likely to shoot during the follow-up period as officers without a history of shootings.

bluetick wrote:Speaking about mismatches, the biggest concern about female deputies was the physical demands of the job and the fear that women would resort to deadly force more often than men because of all-to-frequent physical mismatches. But that proved not to be the case (sorry, IB).

From Criminal Justice Policy and Review:

Past research on police shootings, when examining officer characteristics, has focused on gender, education, age, and history of shooting. Male officers were more likely to shoot than their female counterparts, and college-educated officers were less likely to be involved in shootings than officers with no college education. Risk of officer-involved shooting was reduced as the officer aged. White, non-Hispanic officers were more likely to shoot than Hispanic officers; however, there was no significant difference between Hispanic and Black officers. Officers with a previous history of shooting were more than 51% as likely to shoot during the follow-up period as officers without a history of shootings.

No need to be sorry. This makes perfect sense. Unless she is working undercover dressed up as a whore to bust/entrap Johns or to deal drugs, there is ZERO CHANCE a law enforcement agency is going to put a female beat cop into a blighted or heavily crime ridden area if they can help it. Are you kidding me? So of course they are far less likely to pull out their guns and shoot people. She will have back-up for that.

How many female cops have you seen in riot gear patrolling the streets of Ferguson? I've seen none in the news so far, how about you? Perhaps they are no female Ferguson PD? Or maybe there is zero chance they are assigned that duty?

Not too many shootings happen in a white suburban shopping mall/plaza where she is on her beat. There is even less when she is working the desk in a station dispatching other cops. You need to look at the data more deeply. And always remember that the author has an agenda when reframing an argument to suit their agenda.

"Speaking about mismatches, the biggest concern about female deputies were the physical demands of the job"

My biggest concern about female deputies is that most of them are not very hot...

"And always remember that the author has an agenda when reframing an argument to suit their agenda."

Unlike you?

hedge wrote:"And always remember that the author has an agenda when reframing an argument to suit their agenda."

Unlike you?

Very much like me

That's a very profound statement. When an author reframes an argument to suit his agenda, that means... he has an agenda. Wow, that's a scintillating insight there...

hedge wrote:That's a very profound statement. When an author reframes an argument to suit his agenda, that means... he has an agenda. Wow, that's a scintillating insight there...

No, not really.

A tweet from a journalist (with pic) from Furguson:

"Chanting: No justice no peace. No racist police. "

I thought the cop that shot the guy was black?

They should rename their town Turd Ferguson...

crashcourse wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... mike-brown

My GOD, you guys really believe this site? Wait, you don't think the police (who released a video of a unrelated alleged robbery 6 days later) would have sat on the fact that the 6-4 perpetrator hit the policeman in the eye and then charged him and then was shot in the top of the head?

Then IB says, wow, this must be true? Yet, you say that anybody that says his arms were up is lying?

I don't know if this was justified or not. But the idea that there was an orbital fracture and that fact has been hidden? Not likely.

I'm not sure what happened, but this doesn't really pass the smell test. It the police had an orbital fracture, then that would have been released by this police chief a long time ago.

innocentbystander wrote:

bluetick wrote:Speaking about mismatches, the biggest concern about female deputies was the physical demands of the job and the fear that women would resort to deadly force more often than men because of all-to-frequent physical mismatches. But that proved not to be the case (sorry, IB).

From Criminal Justice Policy and Review:

Past research on police shootings, when examining officer characteristics, has focused on gender, education, age, and history of shooting. Male officers were more likely to shoot than their female counterparts, and college-educated officers were less likely to be involved in shootings than officers with no college education. Risk of officer-involved shooting was reduced as the officer aged. White, non-Hispanic officers were more likely to shoot than Hispanic officers; however, there was no significant difference between Hispanic and Black officers. Officers with a previous history of shooting were more than 51% as likely to shoot during the follow-up period as officers without a history of shootings.

No need to be sorry. This makes perfect sense. Unless she is working undercover dressed up as a whore to bust/entrap Johns or to deal drugs, there is ZERO CHANCE a law enforcement agency is going to put a female beat cop into a blighted or heavily crime ridden area if they can help it. Are you kidding me? So of course they are far less likely to pull out their guns and shoot people. She will have back-up for that.

How many female cops have you seen in riot gear patrolling the streets of Ferguson? I've seen none in the news so far, how about you? Perhaps they are no female Ferguson PD? Or maybe there is zero chance they are assigned that duty?

Not too many shootings happen in a white suburban shopping mall/plaza where she is on her beat. There is even less when she is working the desk in a station dispatching other cops. You need to look at the data more deeply. And always remember that the author has an agenda when reframing an argument to suit their agenda.

Not true. My high school class mates patrol area included Cuney Homes in Houston with her partner

Owlman wrote:

crashcourse wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... mike-brown

My GOD, you guys really believe this site? Wait, you don't think the police (who released a video of a unrelated alleged robbery 6 days later) would have sat on the fact that the 6-4 perpetrator hit the policeman in the eye and then charged him and then was shot in the top of the head?

Then IB says, wow, this must be true? Yet, you say that anybody that says his arms were up is lying?

That is not what I said. What I said (and I quote myself...)

If that really happened, doubt the DA will charge him.

I don't know if it happened or it didn't. We might not be hearing about it until now because he was probably in surgery to see if they could save his eye. And then recovery for at least a few days. And even then, aren't medical records supposed to be private? I wouldn't want anyone talking about this.

innocentbystander wrote:

Owlman wrote:

crashcourse wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... mike-brown

My GOD, you guys really believe this site? Wait, you don't think the police (who released a video of a unrelated alleged robbery 6 days later) would have sat on the fact that the 6-4 perpetrator hit the policeman in the eye and then charged him and then was shot in the top of the head?

Then IB says, wow, this must be true? Yet, you say that anybody that says his arms were up is lying?

That is not what I said. What I said (and I quote myself...)

If that really happened, doubt the DA will charge him.

I don't know if it happened or it didn't. We might not be hearing about it until now because he was probably in surgery to see if they could save his eye. And then recovery for at least a few days. And even then, aren't medical records supposed to be private? I wouldn't want anyone talking about this.

Wait, they were in surgery trying to save his eye 10 days after the shooting and the chief of police who has released information unrelated to the shooting in order to help his officer look better has not mentioned it now or before that there was a scuffle injuring the police officer?? Seriously IB, do you want to believe so much that you are willing to accept that premise?

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Owlman wrote:

innocentbystander wrote:That is not what I said. What I said (and I quote myself...)

If that really happened, doubt the DA will charge him.

I don't know if it happened or it didn't. We might not be hearing about it until now because he was probably in surgery to see if they could save his eye. And then recovery for at least a few days. And even then, aren't medical records supposed to be private? I wouldn't want anyone talking about this.

Wait, they were in surgery trying to save his eye 10 days after the shooting and the chief of police who has released information unrelated to the shooting in order to help his officer look better has not mentioned it now or before that there was a scuffle injuring the police officer?? Seriously IB, do you want to believe so much that you are willing to accept that premise?

I don't know. And neither do you. Has the Chief of Police of Ferguson said ANYTHING about the medical condition of the officer involved in the shooting? Is he even ALLOWED TO mention anything about his medical history (by law?) Probably not.

Crashcourse found that link elsewhere. Mainstream media news sources can't carry that level of confidential medical information without the risk of being sued. If you don't want to believe it, don't. I don't know what to believe yet. God only knows all the answers at this point.

If it happened (and the DA probably does know if that happened) then I don't think he going to be charged with murder. There wont be a case because they are not going to be able to get a conviction. This would have to be a clear-cut-case of a cop murdering an innocent young man where the cop did not believe that his own life was threatened. If his eyeball is hanging out of his skull by the optic nerve because his skull is fractured, rest assured, his life is in jeapordy.

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DSL, sorry about Braxton Miller. I hope that doesn't crush your first season with Rutgers and Maryland.

innocentbystander wrote:

Johnette's Daddy wrote:

why does anybody think a decorated cop with no discplinary history would execute someone by firing 6 shots at a guy with his hands up.

1) Because (sadly) it happens all the time.

no (thankfully) it doesn't

puter wrote:Okay I'm calling BS on the cops execute people with their hands up all the time.

exactly. JD, what the hell is the matter with you? Why would you say something so stupid?

Oakland police officer shoots handcuffed man, lying face down

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