Ostensibly Hoops

[Saint]

Turned out that it was a compression joint that popped off the copper pipe. Still, I had to shut off water for basically 2 days. I took my first shower since Friday morning about 4 p.m. today. I just stayed with the same underwear and Levis the whole time, thinking why should I foul clean clothes? The hardest part was trying to dribble the right amount of water on the toilet paper out of the jug of drinking water when I was wiping my ass the one time I turned the water back on so I could take a shit (as well as flush the other 2 toilets with my son's and wife's dumps festering in them).

I was lucky because the fitting was easy to fix but my 97-year-old house is hard to get under, as in impossible save the back third. So the plumber and I just cracked through the bricks at the base once he figured out where it was. Then he was able to reach in and put on a new fitting. Cost me $50 but now I have to either slap some new bricks in the hole about 14x18" or just frame it off and create a crawl space door. Wasn't happy to see a big plastic rat trap under there from god knows how long ago. I'm convinced I'll wake up one night with a squirrel/rat/bat chewing on my face.

[eCat]

I know it won't happen but look at this bracket from Lunardi.

15 years ago we would have lost our minds on here if this played out

[eCat]

Second that on the sinuses, eCat. Old age and cold weather will reek havoc on them.... Try Vick's...

so I bought some today at lunch, mom used to put it on my chest as a kid. I just put it on my lip just below my nostrils thinking that if I breath it in, it will clear up my sinus ;now it feels like someone lit a can of sterno on my face. I'm hoping the snot running out of my nose cools this shit off

[crotch]

Second that on the sinuses, eCat. Old age and cold weather will reek havoc on them.... Try Vick's...

so I bought some today at lunch, mom used to put it on my chest as a kid. I just put it on my lip just below my nostrils thinking that if I breath it in, it will clear up my sinus ;now it feels like someone lit a can of sterno on my face. I'm hoping the snot running out of my nose cools this shit off

Heh... It's suppose to feel like cool mint, not burning. And yes, the snot will cool it off .. I still recommend the 1/2 alcohol + 1/2 hydrogen peroxide if you want a real sterno effect... that helps me better than the Vicks.

[goldenbear]

WHy stay in man against a team you cant gaurd why not go full court and trap and push the tempo he sucks dick I hate Roy WIlliams so much worse coach in big time basketball

[eCat]

only one post from Goldebrea?

last night was a 2 pager at least

[Saint]

he must be finally giving up (thankfully)

[The Anti k*]

It is beyond time for Roy Williams to get the fuck out of Chapel Hill. He's Denny Crum and nothing more.

[sardis]

If Augustwest were only alive today.

[eCat]

I honestly believe Carolina is a casualty of the one and done.

Before the concept of one and done became a thing, Carolina landed those types of kids - and of course there really was no pressure to leave after the first year because Cal is really the first coach to say I'm pushing you into the NBA. Matter of fact it was perfectly acceptable to put a huge guilt trip on the kid if he considered leaving without accomplishing the goals of the coach. Carolina would have got Brandon Knight, Alex Poythress, Patrick Patterson, Dakari Johnson, and maybe a couple of others without the era of one and done and Cal's pipeline to the NBA.

Now Duke has adopted the one and done mentality while Roy is just out of the loop. Sure Carolina by name recognition and academics will land recruits for awhile , but the reality is that has a very limited shelf life right now. Most kids today see Michael Jordan as my generation sees Bill Russell - a guy that old farts sit around talking about how great he was and the academic scandal is pretty much going to wipe out any credentials UNC had to be a difference maker in a kids decision making. Not to mention that Bill Self is just as good at Kansas as Roy was, if not better in regards to modern basketball recruiting. (he sucks at developing talent though)

Its just too big of a mountain for Roy to climb. Maybe he can jump on board with the freshmen eligibility rule that the Big 10 is touting (UK and Duke have 9 McD's each, the Big 10 has 7 combined) and figure out a way to use that to his advantage but I doubt it.

Its not that Roy is a bad coach, he's just a coach who is ideally suited for 2001. Its Bobby Knight trying to coach in the era of Rick Pitino.

Remember when Ben Washburn used to come on here and talk about "why would any kid want to go to Lexington, Ky?".

Now its "why would any kid want to go to Chapel Hill?"

[eCat]

It is beyond time for Roy Williams to get the fuck out of Chapel Hill. He's Denny Crum and nothing more.

UNC better be ready to pay handsomely for Roy to walk if it isn't his idea. He knows where the bodies are buried.

[hedge]

Roy made a comment about Dean's retirement the other day, he said something along the lines of Dean wanted to leave the program in a strong position, he wasn't going to whimper off on a bad note. I think Roy feels the same way. He's taking it as a personal duty to Dean not to leave when times are bad. On the bright side, as I have already said, if everybody on this team stays for next year, we will undoubtedly be a top 3 team and probably the favorites to win it all. In other words, a perfect time for Roy to exit. Of course, the cupboard will be bare for the following year, but winning an NC puts you on firm recruiting ground, so he could be looking at it like that. FWIW, I think Roy is still a great coach. So many wins, FF's, a couple of NC's. There aren't many coaches out there with his resume and experience.

It's just not an old man's game anymore, though. I think recruits are looking more for somebody they can relate to rather than a mentor figure. Cal is a perfect combination of both of those, and I think Carolina will have their pick of whoever they want when Roy leaves. I just don't think you can or should run off a guy like Roy, but it does seem clear that his days are numbered, if for nothing more than sheer age. Carolina is certainly still a strong brand, we're way better off now than, say, UK was after 10 years of Tubby or Indiana after their decades plus in the wilderness of mediocrity. The right hire will put Carolina right back in the forefront of the college hoops world. If we get a young-ish hotshot who makes it clear he's willing to take one and done's and able to coach them, we'll be right back on top. UK fans should enjoy their stranglehold on that model while they can. Their days are numbered...

[hedge]

Of course, if we get hit with NCAA sanctions, we would have to get thru a couple of down years b/c of that, but again, if UK can do it (as they did in the 90's with Pintino after "Kentucky's Shame", actually coming back far stronger than they had been in several decades, and maybe ever, until now (or, well, since Crotch's heyday of the pre-television era)), so can UNC. The next coach is going to usher in a new era for Carolina basketball, and I suspect it's going to be a very good one...

[The Anti k*]

I honestly believe Carolina is a casualty of the one and done.

Before the concept of one and done became a thing, Carolina landed those types of kids - and of course there really was no pressure to leave after the first year because Cal is really the first coach to say I'm pushing you into the NBA. Matter of fact it was perfectly acceptable to put a huge guilt trip on the kid if he considered leaving without accomplishing the goals of the coach. Carolina would have got Brandon Knight, Alex Poythress, Patrick Patterson, Dakari Johnson, and maybe a couple of others without the era of one and done and Cal's pipeline to the NBA.

Now Duke has adopted the one and done mentality while Roy is just out of the loop. Sure Carolina by name recognition and academics will land recruits for awhile , but the reality is that has a very limited shelf life right now. Most kids today see Michael Jordan as my generation sees Bill Russell - a guy that old farts sit around talking about how great he was and the academic scandal is pretty much going to wipe out any credentials UNC had to be a difference maker in a kids decision making. Not to mention that Bill Self is just as good at Kansas as Roy was, if not better in regards to modern basketball recruiting. (he sucks at developing talent though)

Its just too big of a mountain for Roy to climb. Maybe he can jump on board with the freshmen eligibility rule that the Big 10 is touting (UK and Duke have 9 McD's each, the Big 10 has 7 combined) and figure out a way to use that to his advantage but I doubt it.

Its not that Roy is a bad coach, he's just a coach who is ideally suited for 2001. Its Bobby Knight trying to coach in the era of Rick Pitino.

Remember when Ben Washburn used to come on here and talk about "why would any kid want to go to Lexington, Ky?".

Now its "why would any kid want to go to Chapel Hill?"

eCat -- I agree with every word of this post. The combination of Calipari/UK, usK* bask*etball/dook*, and the academic scandal were the perfect storm to bring down Carolina Basketball. I grew up expecting to win when Coach Smith was running the show in Chapel Hill, but he was not above criticism -- at least not in my eyes. I was one of his loudest critics with the way he finagled the baton handoff to a tired, old assistant coach, who absolutely threw away a national championship in 1998. And now, we have a bunch of head-in-the-sand suck-ups running around, thinking Roy does no wrong. If our administration is stupid enough to allow Roy to hand the reins over to Hubert Davis when he retires, the Program will have self-imposed a death penalty.

How many times does "hiring family" work in big time college basketball? UCLA went to the Final Four the year after Wooden left, but Bartow took the first train to UAB to get out of Wooden's shadow. It did work at Kentucky when they forced Rupp into retirement, but it took Joe B. Hall six years to win the title -- and he only got back to one Final Four (UK's disaster in 1984).

Look at the mess Indiana is in post Knight. As eCat said above, Kansas hasn't missed a beat by cutting ties to Ol' Roy -- in fact, Self has surpassed what Williams accomplished in Lawrence. And whoever replaces k*rzythead will expose that dooK* really was ALL about k*.

It absolutely amazes me that the same folks in Chapel Hill who laud Dean Smith for being a pioneer in racial desegregation, insist upon "keeping it in the family" -- or as I call it, the Good Ol' Boys Network. Shaka Smart would absolutely kill it -- KILL IT!!! -- on the recruiting trail given the opportunity at a blueblood program. He's young, energetic, gets along well with the media, and has already told k*rzythead to stick it up his ass when he was complaining about the number of NCAA bids the Atlantic 10 got a few years ago. Oh, and he just happens to be black. But instead of being proactive and moving the program forward, the ivory tower eggheads in Chapel Hill will continue to apologize for everything under the sun, pay off the whistleblowers rather than fighting back, and let Roy run us into the abyss of mediocrity, before handing over an ancient relic of a once proud program to an unproven assistant coach. All in the name of Fambly (pointing at Hedge for the North Carolina spelling assist).

[eCat]

I don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell that UNC keeps it in the family after Roy. Roy will not be able to hand pick a successor.

[aTm]

I feel like bitching about OUR coach after last night. WTF was that shit coming out looking like deer in headlights, turned the ball over 5 times in 5 possessions and 6 times in 7 possessions and still the mother fucker wouldn't call one of his precious fucking timeouts down by like 12. So we go almost 11 minutes of the fucking half until we are down by 25 before the asshole calls a timeout. I think we went into the locker room down by 23 and with two minutes left in the game it was 74-72. Motherfucker, stop the goddamned bleeding earlier for your underprepared team, dipshit.

[The Anti k*]

Roy made a comment about Dean's retirement the other day, he said something along the lines of Dean wanted to leave the program in a strong position, he wasn't going to whimper off on a bad note. I think Roy feels the same way. He's taking it as a personal duty to Dean not to leave when times are bad. On the bright side, as I have already said, if everybody on this team stays for next year, we will undoubtedly be a top 3 team and probably the favorites to win it all. In other words, a perfect time for Roy to exit. Of course, the cupboard will be bare for the following year, but winning an NC puts you on firm recruiting ground, so he could be looking at it like that. FWIW, I think Roy is still a great coach. So many wins, FF's, a couple of NC's. There aren't many coaches out there with his resume and experience.

Hedge -- You're a good fan, as you're not afraid to call out the ass-kissers who only believe in "The Carolina Way". But I do have to take exception to your believing we'll be a top 3 team next year with this same cast of soft, underachieving characters. Oh yeah, plus Mark Maye's slew-footed son, fringe top 100 rated (inflated for the Carolina Bump) recruit. We're adding no one of substance to the mix, man. Oh sure, Roy keeps flying to Atlanta, begging Jaylen Brown to come and save us. But we all know he's headed to UK or KU -- and who can blame the kid? Then there's the latest 6'9", 185 lb. "big man" from Kinston, Brandon Ingram. That kid has long been enamored with dook*, but I guess the in-state pressure (and the Carolina Tradition with Kinston ballers) has prevented him from pulling the trigger. Or maybe k* just doesn't believe he's all that and is putting him off.

We have no alpha dogs on this team. Not a single one. The book is out on Marcus Paige from last season. Instead of living up to his preseason ACC POY and All-American billing, he's fallen flat on his face under the pressure of having to be The Man. And if he's playing injured, Roy should be ashamed. He's sitting that worthless ass Mormon missionary 37-year-old Stillman White, due to foot ailments. Maybe he can redshirt and draw Social Security. Meanwhile, state college reeled in a shooter in Alabama transfer Trevor Lacey, while we were out of scholarships. Brice and Kennedy can score vs. inferior teams, but get their k*rzyt packed vs. the big boys like UK, or just plain back down when they get shoved around by stronger players (like last night vs. the wuffpeckers). We have no shooters on this team -- not even Paige anymore. Tokoto is too busy trying to look pretty with his fauxhawk, shying away from contact at all costs. We could've had Montrezl Harrell, a lifelong Carolina fan -- but no, Roy wanted the soft kid from Wisconsin.

The Program is broken, Heel Brother. We were Top 5 in virtually all the preseason polls this year. Don't believe the hype again. It hurts too bad when they pull the bandage off our giant scab.

[hedge]

I watched some of that game last night, but Arkansas was up by so much, I changed the channel...

On another note, Nolan Richardson must have been on steroids in the 90's. His head has shrunken from a watermelon to a raisin...

[eCat]

I feel like bitching about OUR coach after last night. WTF was that shit coming out looking like deer in headlights, turned the ball over 5 times in 5 possessions and 6 times in 7 possessions and still the mother fucker wouldn't call one of his precious fucking timeouts down by like 12. So we go almost 11 minutes of the fucking half until we are down by 25 before the asshole calls a timeout. I think we went into the locker room down by 23 and with two minutes left in the game it was 74-72. Motherfucker, stop the goddamned bleeding earlier for your underprepared team, dipshit.

it started out badly - I didn't watch the end

[hedge]

"But I do have to take exception to your believing we'll be a top 3 team next year with this same cast of soft, underachieving characters."

Well, I agree that these guys aren't of the caliber that we have seen plenty of years in Chapel Hill, but they're not terrible. And I don't see next year's incoming freshman class to be as spectacular (or even close) to many we've seen in recent years. So for UNC, it's going to be addition by subtraction. I think several of our guys should be much better next year just b/c of the freshman bump (Jackson and esp. Pinson) and Hicks has shown great improvement this year over last, as has Meeks. If that trajectory continues and Paige returns to last year's form, I think we'll be pretty good next year. And I still think they're capable of winning a couple of games this year in the tourny that they "shouldn't" win. Of course, they could also lose in the first or second round. But I think we'll probably be the best (or among the best) of a not so great bunch next year. Basically it's not that we're going to be some kind of powerhouse next year, but that it's not going to be a stellar year for college hoops in general. But at this point, I'll take what I can get...