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our founding forefathers really did a good thing championing state rights giving smaller states just a teensy bit more power when it comes to electoral college.
msnbc et al may moan and graon about popular vote but trump runs a completely different campaign if it was popular vote only

still say this election was about kids and grandkids and budgets and deficits and entitlements

working America voted trump in because they are sick and tired of non working America feasting on the government tit.
obamacare was the last straw when your paying 10-15K in premiums deductibles before your insurance has to pay a cent.

combine that with a middleclass that generally is paying tax until may 30 before they can pocket their own paycheck

kudos to Hillary though--concession was a class move hopefully the Donald would have done the same--he did complement her whole campaign in his acceptance

The whole "popular vote" thing that gets harped on is such BS. Neither candidate is trying to win the popular vote, if they were they'd be campaigning in California and Texas where a couple percentage point swings could win that for them even if the outcome of the state didnt change. Mentioning one candidate winning a scoring metric that doesnt affect the outcome is like arguing your football team was better because they had more yards even though they lost the game by double digits, it just sounds like a dumb meaningless moral victory.

true

another hidden fact nobody talked about was religious America/traditional America has had LBGT issues shoved down their throat at the cost that their own beleief system and values were ridiculed and basically you were a racist or a sexist or some other type of bigot

not saying there isn't merit to same sex marriages etc but the revolution that transgenders/cross dressers/bisexuals/perverts are trampling the comfort zone of most parents with the arc being taken by Obama to basically anything goes. go piss shower/shit compete on athletic teams as whoever you want to be and we will protect you screw the bible belt corn belt belief and value system. screw military discipline we are more worried that we advance transsexual/homosexual issues then military readiness issues. Our army that has to concentrate on hurting the feelings of the libs rather then training a force of men and some women to complete the mission.

anyway Im glad he won although things would be a lot more predictable with Hillary it was the time to swing back to the right

crashcourse wrote:true

another hidden fact nobody talked about was religious America/traditional America has had LBGT issues shoved down their throat at the cost that their own beleief system and values were ridiculed and basically you were a racist or a sexist or some other type of bigot

not saying there isn't merit to same sex marriages etc but the revolution that transgenders/cross dressers/bisexuals/perverts are trampling the comfort zone of most parents with the arc being taken by Obama to basically anything goes. go piss shower/shit compete on athletic teams as whoever you want to be and we will protect you screw the bible belt corn belt belief and value system. screw military discipline we are more worried that we advance transsexual/homosexual issues then military readiness issues. Our army that has to concentrate on hurting the feelings of the libs rather then training a force of men and some women to complete the mission.

anyway Im glad he won although things would be a lot more predictable with Hillary it was the time to swing back to the right

I didn't really think Trump was all that big on pushing an Anti-LBGT agenda. But then again I didn't think he ever said anything to offend African Americans.

crashcourse wrote:true

another hidden fact nobody talked about was religious America/traditional America has had LBGT issues shoved down their throat at the cost that their own beleief system and values were ridiculed and basically you were a racist or a sexist or some other type of bigot

These values are ridiculous and bigoted. If this is your excuse for voting for this fuck, then you are a bigot. Own it.

crashcourse wrote:
kudos to Hillary though--concession was a class move hopefully the Donald would have done the same--he did complement her whole campaign in his acceptance

crash, if The Donald had won the popular vote and lost the electoral...you know he'd be going batshit right now. You're talking about the same guy who yelled "rigged election" at every campaign stop and begged supporters to be "watchers" at all voting precincts. The world's beacon of democracy, with it's venerable transfer of power...and the guy royally trashed the process. Worse than a banana republic. And now Trumps the new leader of the free world... ..... ..........

March 15, 2016 - Jim Geraghty - National Review

I could reach shit like this all week

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Quite a few Donald Trump fans are convinced that their man would beat Hillary Clinton resoundingly in a general election, carrying a slew of blue states where Republicans aren’t generally competitive in general elections. Wayne Allyn Root’s assessment is typical. “New York is only the start,” he wrote. Trump can win Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio, too, Root contends, because there are lots of middle- and working-class voters there who relish Trump’s honesty and politically incorrect style. If that was true, you would think polls would show that Trump is running better than, or at least on par with, an average Republican in these states. They don’t.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... hite-house

Paul Krugman has already had to walk back his prediction of a global recession following Donald Trump’s presidential victory last night. His initial post on the New York Times’ website was confidently apocalyptic about the prospects of Donald Trump plunging the world into a depression: “If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.” He concluded by saying, “So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.” Markets rebounded in the morning after an overnight selloff, and it became clear that Krugman was wrong yet again on the one thing he is actually qualified to write about, economics. This morning he went on a mini tweetstorm about his moral philosophy — centering on the death of the “American romance” that he believed in before his party lost this election — and his only tweet about economics rescinded his previous projection: It looks like economic Armageddon will not be arriving on schedule.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/44 ... -trump-won

A lot can happen in 4 years...

I wonder how many got taken to the cleaners in DJIA futures last night.

And by precedent, the next 4 years can all be blamed on the predecessor.

aTm wrote:I wonder how many got taken to the cleaners in DJIA futures last night.

I doubt many people loaded up on puts thinking that Trump would win, but you could've cashed in big around 3 a.m. if you had. If you had gone to bed thinking you'd wait until the market opened, though, you would've been highly disappointed...

The VIX is where I'm focused. One day, by itself, won't tell the tale. The markets want to see how Trump shapes his cabinet. Like I said, DFA and Obamacare going away is a shot in the arm for capital markets. That's a bit of what you saw today. If Trump stays honest about protectionism, though, the markets will fall.

I personally think he's lied about the wall plan and the protectionism play...among other things. But, he is such a novice at civil service, my guess is his cabinet will have the same crew as always and just be big on dereg. If he does go full Brexit, tho, then the markets will suffer and Krugman will be more accurate than not.

I do think you'll just see more Bush-like tax cuts and choking of government intervention in the markets. It'll be the same story and the rust belt will still be looking for manufacturing wages in a service-based economy with even less government support on the back end.

We haven't even scratched the surface at foreign policy yet. Again, we'll see.

aTm wrote:The whole "popular vote" thing that gets harped on is such BS. Neither candidate is trying to win the popular vote, if they were they'd be campaigning in California and Texas where a couple percentage point swings could win that for them even if the outcome of the state didnt change. Mentioning one candidate winning a scoring metric that doesnt affect the outcome is like arguing your football team was better because they had more yards even though they lost the game by double digits, it just sounds like a dumb meaningless moral victory.

The popular vote is used as a bolster to the "mandate" narrative. It doesn't play a part in determining the winner, but it does give an aggregate number of national support. That matters, even if it's a small .matter.

To put the popular vote in perspective.

Except for Reagan in '84, I would think that map has always been a gross approximation of how every election has voted since 1964. That is another reason the popular vote count adds color to the contest.

not that I think Omarosa is the best representative to speak on behalf of Trump but I say good...do it..


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Donald Trump surrogate Omarosa Manigault said the President-elect's campaign is keeping a list of people who did not support his run to the White House.
"Let me just tell you, Mr. Trump has a long memory and we're keeping a list," Manigault, the campaign's director of African-American outreach, told the Independent Journal Review, an online news outlet started by two former GOP staffers aimed at a center-right audience.

Manigault made the comment in response to Sen. Lindsey Graham's tweet that he supported conservative presidential candidate Evan McMullin.
Manigault, an ordained minister, responded by suggesting that the South Carolina Republican was an enemy and said "God bless him."
"If (Graham) felt his interests was with that candidate, God bless him. I would never judge anybody for exercising their right to and the freedom to choose who they want," she said.
"It's so great our enemies are making themselves clear so that when we get in to the White House, we know where we stand," the former reality show contestant added.
Graham, a Trump primary opponent, pledged along with other Republican candidates to support whoever won the Republican nomination.

and FWIW

Bernie Sanders would have won the election. Biden maybe.

The Democrats had Hillary slotted to be the nominee going back to 2013 and they just ignored every issue or warning sign that came up. Debbie Whatshername Schultz rigged the DNC to destroy Bernie and the superdelegates made sure he never got momentum. The Democrats bought and paid for the candidate they wanted, the most corrupt one of the bunch.

On the other side, the RNC did everything they could to stop the candidate of the people from getting the nomination.

Whether you hate Trump or not, Democracy worked in this election - not for Bernie, unfortunately but for America as a whole.

That I agree with. The DEMs treated Hllary like the GOP normally treated candidates. They felt it was her turn, so they gave it to her.

Biden would have definitely won the election, in my opinion. He speaks populism better than almost any DEM out there. Beau's cancer played a part there, too.