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[Toemeesleather]

Hurricane Obamacare is nowhere near complete in terms of damage it will do to the economy or trust in the next dem. Whether it's the PAH or not, they will have to answer to the Hurricane and it's effect in '16.

[bluetick]

Thing is, she has a huge lead NOW and she hasn't lifted a finger or batted an eye. She has a huge lead and she hasn't tapped a dime from what'll be the biggest war chest ever conceived. Umm..think people might be ready for a third Clinton term after what has transpired the last 13 years? Any doubts that the mainstream media won't coronate her early, often, and late? She'll steamroll 270 electorals before the networks are out of the family hour.

2016 will be an epic beatdown...truly one for the books.

[bluetick]

The latest ABC News-Washington Post poll has Christie in third place - with the support of 13 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents - behind Rep. Paul Ryan with 20 percent and former Florida governor Jeb Bush at 18 percent. The rest of the scattered pack includes Sens. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio, who are at 12, 11, and 10 percent, respectively.

Epic.

[10ac]

Yep, we've reached the tipping point. It's all down hill from here.

On a lighter note: http://news.yahoo.com/iraqi-militants-a ... 52321.html

LMAO

[hedge]

" Paul Ryan with 20 percent"

Good lord. If the 'Pubs nominate that mewling little nerd, they deserve whatever they get...

[Johnette's Daddy]

The latest ABC News-Washington Post poll has Christie in third place - with the support of 13 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents - behind Rep. Paul Ryan with 20 percent and former Florida governor Jeb Bush at 18 percent. The rest of the scattered pack includes Sens. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio, who are at 12, 11, and 10 percent, respectively.

Epic.

The scary part for the GOP is that the Asian & Latino numbers for 2008/12 mirror the black numbers in 1956/60 - significant, but not ridiculous. In 1964 the GOP ran nut job Goldwater, 95% of blacks voted Democratic and have never been under 85% since. If the GOP runs a racist/misogynist/Bircher - which is basically most of the guys they're talking about now, Asians and Latinos will become a permanent 85%+ for Dems, as well.

In a situation where the percentage of white voters shrinks by 1%-2% every cycle, can the GOP expect to survive by conceding 90% of the non-white vote?

[Toemeesleather]

ObamaCare" is useful shorthand for the Affordable Care Act not least because the law increasingly means whatever President Obama says it does on any given day. His latest lawless rewrite arrived on Monday as the White House decided to delay the law's employer mandate for another year and in some cases maybe forever.

ObamaCare requires businesses with 50 or more workers to offer health insurance to their workers or pay a penalty, but last summer the Treasury offered a year-long delay until 2015 despite having no statutory authorization. Like the individual mandate, the employer decree is central to ObamaCare's claim of universal coverage, but employers said the new labor costs—and the onerous reporting and tax-enforcement rules—would damage job creation and the economy.


Liberals insisted that such arguments were false if not beneath contempt, but then all of a sudden the White House implicitly endorsed the other side. Now the new delay arrives amid a furious debate about jobs after a damning Congressional Budget Office report last week, only this time with liberals celebrating ObamaCare's supposed benefits to the job market.

Well, which is it? Either ObamaCare is ushering in a worker's paradise, in which case by the White House's own logic exempting businesses from its ministrations is harming employees. Or else the mandate really is leading business to cut back on hiring, hours and shifting workers to part-time as the evidence in the real economy suggests.

Under the new Treasury rule, firms with 50 to 99 full-time workers are free from the mandate until 2016. And firms with 100 or more workers now also only need cover 70% of full-time workers in 2015 and 95% in 2016 and after, not the 100% specified in the law.

The new rule also relaxes the mandate for certain occupations and industries that were at particular risk for disruption, like volunteer firefighters, teachers, adjunct faculty members and seasonal employees. Oh, and the Treasury also notes that, "As these limited transition rules take effect, we will consider whether it is necessary to further extend any of them beyond 2015." So the law may be suspended indefinitely if the White House feels like it.

By now ObamaCare's proliferating delays, exemptions and administrative retrofits are too numerous to count, most of them of dubious legality. The text of the Affordable Care Act specifically says when the mandate must take effect—"after December 31, 2013"—and does not give the White House the authority to change the terms.

Changing an unambiguous statutory mandate requires the approval of Congress, but then this President has often decided the law is whatever he says it is. His Administration's cavalier notions about law enforcement are especially notable here for their bias for corporations over people. The White House has refused to suspend the individual insurance mandate, despite the harm caused to millions who are losing their previous coverage.

Liberals say the law isn't harming jobs or economic growth, but everything this White House does screams the opposite.

[Professor Tiger]

If the GOP runs a racist/misogynist/Bircher - which is basically most of the guys they're talking about now, Asians and Latinos will become a permanent 85%+ for Dems, as well.

The description "racist/misogynist/Bircher" is a bit overstated. Cruz comes the closest. It doesn't describe Ryan, Bush or Rubio at all.

But I agree with the broader point that the GOP had better play nice with Hispanics or court long term disaster. The cooler heads in the GOP know this, which is why many of them (including ALL the Establishment-approved ones) are desperately trying to find a way to grant them legal status.

Hispanics (especially the recently arrived ones) could have become an R constituency rather than a Dem one. They tend to be very devout Catholics, whereas the Dem's are openly hostile to Catholicism (as well as all religion except Islam). Hispanics tend to prize the traditional family, whereas the Dem's do not. Hispanics tend to work their butts off to create their own private sector wealth and dream of starting their own businesses. The Dem's are much more passionate about redistributing wealth rather than creating it.

But I agree that a lot of R's have been dreaming out loud of deporting all 15 million of them, and that has taken its toll. Despite some GOP delusions of mass deportations, illegals aren't going anywhere. Even if they don't vote, their large number of children and huge number of grandchildren, will. The more they gather around the dinner table and Mamacita tells her children, "The Republicanos? They're the ones that tried to send Abuelo and Abuelita back to Mexico. They are very mean. Don't vote for them, ninos." the R's are toast.

[Professor Tiger]

Any doubts that the mainstream media won't coronate her early, often, and late?

heh. I've been trying to find the SNL spoof of the Hillary vs. Obama debates. They weren't much of an exaggeration. For that brief moment, Hillary discovered what it's like to be a Republican 24/7/365.

[hedge]

"Hispanics (especially the recently arrived ones) could have become an R constituency rather than a Dem one. They tend to be very devout Catholics, whereas the Dem's are openly hostile to Catholicism (as well as all religion except Islam). Hispanics tend to prize the traditional family, whereas the Dem's do not. Hispanics tend to work their butts off to create their own private sector wealth and dream of starting their own businesses. The Dem's are much more passionate about redistributing wealth rather than creating it.

But I agree that a lot of R's have been dreaming out loud of deporting all 15 million of them, and that has taken its toll. Despite some GOP delusions of mass deportations, illegals aren't going anywhere. Even if they don't vote, their large number of children and huge number of grandchildren, will. The more they gather around the dinner table and Mamacita tells her children, "The Republicanos? They're the ones that tried to send Abuelo and Abuelita back to Mexico. They are very mean. Don't vote for them, ninos." the R's are toast."

So, based on your assessment, you're saying Hispanics are stupid as hell. Yeah, that's the way to attract em...

[Professor Tiger]

No, I'm not saying that at all.

I'm simply saying that if a big part of the GOP remains as obsessed with deporting millions of illegal aliens, they and their descendants will not like that obsession and will vote accordingly. To a degree, I don't blame them.

[hedge]

Just to a degree? If what you say is correct and a big part of the GOP wants to deport them, to what degree COULD you blame them for not voting GOP?? To the degree that the GOP is, e.g., anti-abortion? Whoop tee do. What good is GOP-mandated changes in American law if they're sitting in Mexico?

[bluetick]

Simply put, hispanics are nacho average gop voter. Too flighty...here today, gone tamale.

nod to psa

[hedge]

They were handing out government cheese and two guys broke in line and stole some and took off running. They ducked into an alley and started eating it. One guy said "This is some good nacho cheese", the other guy says "how do you know it's nacho cheese?" and the first guy says "the guy I broke in front of started chasing me and he was yelling "Hey, that's nacho cheese!!"

[10ac]

http://www.infowars.com/homeland-securi ... iper-ammo/

What's going on?

[billy bob bocephus]

there's nothing to see here, move along

[sardis]

Maybe we can outsource the Presidency to the Canadian PM...

http://news.yahoo.com/canadian-governme ... NlYwNzcg--

[10ac]

I wonder how much is being spent on their "military".

[sardis]

If we could balance the budget outside of military spending, I'd be in hog heaven.

[bluetick]

http://www.infowars.com/homeland-securi ... iper-ammo/

What's going on?

The posts from the looney-tunes who follow this site are 2 parts hysterical and 1 part scary.