The Goat Pen

I was afraid to even hit the link via my work computer, and considering the amount of time I'm on my work computer(s) or phone...

Heard rumors this am now that Bill Clinton conspired with Donald Trump to run as a Republican to help Hillary get elected.

Owlman wrote:Heard rumors this am now that Bill Clinton conspired with Donald Trump to run as a Republican to help Hillary get elected.

That's it, then. I'm switching to Jill St. John or whoever she is.

Owlman wrote:Heard rumors this am now that Bill Clinton conspired with Donald Trump to run as a Republican to help Hillary get elected.

that's been tossed around for quite some time now

Yeah...but I don't believe it. Whatever is going on with Trump, it's not some grand Clinton-inspired conspiracy (I mean, it's amazing the powers many people will attribute to the Clinton family, like they are the modern-day equivalent of the Borgias). It's pretty obvious Donald cannot run a long con sophisticated enough to poke at Obama's birth records and academic credentials the last 7 years in order to throw an election for Hillary. Nah, Donald is who he is and (like him or not) he's giving you what he thinks...not what Bill told him to do.

yeah, I agree. Just thought it was funny that some people are actually considering it (saw it on morning Joe this am). Watching Trump go through group after group to alienate. Yesterday it was veterans again and babies. Before that, working women. It's fascinating. There will be an increase in non-degree white males voting but not sure that will offset the increase he's causing in Latino, working women, Jews, Muslims, and now more veterans. There were actual discussions about his psychological fitness yesterday on Fox.

I think its funny that Hillary /DNC is using the angle of him unfit but the flip side of it is admitting that Hillary is a professional politician

which is poison in today's environment

The problem is that it isn't the Hillary campaign or the DNC putting this out. It's a number of Republicans. Now they are talking about an intervention (although telling people ahead of time that there will be an intervention sort of defeats the intervention)

eCat wrote:I think its funny that Hillary /DNC is using the angle of him unfit but the flip side of it is admitting that Hillary is a professional politician

which is poison in today's environment

It's poison in today's rwnj environment. ftfy

bluetick wrote:

eCat wrote:I think its funny that Hillary /DNC is using the angle of him unfit but the flip side of it is admitting that Hillary is a professional politician

which is poison in today's environment

It's poison in today's rwnj environment. ftfy

yea, that's why Bernie Sanders has so few followers right?

Owlman wrote:yeah, I agree. Just thought it was funny that some people are actually considering it (saw it on morning Joe this am). Watching Trump go through group after group to alienate. Yesterday it was veterans again and babies. Before that, working women. It's fascinating. There will be an increase in non-degree white males voting but not sure that will offset the increase he's causing in Latino, working women, Jews, Muslims, and now more veterans. There were actual discussions about his psychological fitness yesterday on Fox.

I left out middle America Pennsylvanians. He insulted the entire capital city of Pennsylvania.

Owlman wrote:The problem is that it isn't the Hillary campaign or the DNC putting this out. It's a number of Republicans. Now they are talking about an intervention (although telling people ahead of time that there will be an intervention sort of defeats the intervention)

true, but at this point many people don't make the distinction between a Paul Ryan, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid - they're all big government insiders.

90% of Bernie supporters say they are going to vote for Hillary. Greater than Hillary supporters at this point who said they were going to vote for Obama

eCat wrote:

Owlman wrote:The problem is that it isn't the Hillary campaign or the DNC putting this out. It's a number of Republicans. Now they are talking about an intervention (although telling people ahead of time that there will be an intervention sort of defeats the intervention)

true, but at this point many people don't make the distinction between a Paul Ryan, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid - they're all big government insiders.

But does this mean that Trump is putting a cap on his support?

Owlman wrote:90% of Bernie supporters say they are going to vote for Hillary. Greater than Hillary supporters at this point who said they were going to vote for Obama

I never said they were resolute

Owlman wrote:

eCat wrote:

Owlman wrote:The problem is that it isn't the Hillary campaign or the DNC putting this out. It's a number of Republicans. Now they are talking about an intervention (although telling people ahead of time that there will be an intervention sort of defeats the intervention)

true, but at this point many people don't make the distinction between a Paul Ryan, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid - they're all big government insiders.

But does this mean that Trump is putting a cap on his support?

he's always had a cap.

This election is about seeing if there is enough left to make a difference or do the globalists and special interest just completely take over.

Just don't think there are enough angry non-degree white males to off-set all of the various groups that Trump is pissing off. Why pick a fight with veterans? Why pick on working women when you need suburban women to have have a chance in Pennsylvania? They aren't globalists. They aren't "special interests"

A little bit of "it works / it doesn't work" for everybody...

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... rk/494141/

Owlman wrote:Just don't think there are enough angry non-degree white males to off-set all of the various groups that Trump is pissing off. Why pick a fight with veterans? Why pick on working women when you need suburban women to have have a chance in Pennsylvania? They aren't globalists. They aren't "special interests"

Because there are no fence sitters. How many women out the suburbs were undecided about who they were going to vote for in the last month?

forget the polls - the only way people change votes is if Hillary has some wikileaks disaster or Trump goes off the rails.

We're really only talking about 6 states at this point .

Yea, I don't understand why he says some of the stuff he says, but he's not a professional politician.

Professional politicians have been screwing the American working class over to a callous degree for the last 20 years.

They created Trump and Trump voters.

I'm really just sick of the bullshit that people buy into

The DNC rolls out that Muslim father who lost a son and parade him around as a "Gold Star" parent.

Wasn't this the same DNC that railed on the RNC for letting the mother of a Navy Seal talk about how she blames Hillary's lack of response for her sons death?

Isn't she a Gold Star parent? I guess she didn't sacrifice enough to merit being able to criticize a secretary of state.

Liberals lost their damn minds when she got up there and spoke her mind, but Mr. I quietly took down my website about Muslim immigration calls out Trump about what he has sacrificed?

What's more relevant? The Secretary of State who had congressional hearings about her lack of action to secure Benghazi that cost American soldiers lives or a Father calling out a civilian?

This is the horseshit that I am tired of. I'm tired of the John Stewarts and Stephen Colberts and all these motherfuckers that look down at people that are just trying to get by , protect their family and make a living telling them how un-elightened they are because they don't understand why we should applaud a girl who gives a speech about her mother coming to the United States illegally.

I'm tired of crap like Matt Damon making a mint off a Jason Bourne movie and then pushing for gun ban legislation and Paul Ryan meeting the Koch Brothers to tell him how the GOP must repudiate the voting base on their objections to Free Trade. There is no shortage of this craziness.

Is Trump the answer to solving any of this? Probably not, but he is the answer to stopping some other jackass from getting their shot to continue it. And Hillary is perhaps the worst career politician we'll see.