The Goat Pen

Oh well. She just needs to pony up for the sake of America.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... p-process/

http://thegrio.com/2013/11/12/is-justic ... e-stinney/

14 yrs old.... 95 lbs, barely 5 ft tall...botched execution because he was a child in an adult electric chair

Republican Rep (FL) caught with cocaine

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/t ... html?hp=t1

Former radio host and Fox tv anchor who had never held office before...conservative district (Naples)...sounds like a Tea Party kinda guy

Cocaine is a helluva drug. Wonder if this keeps him from being president?

probably, unless he has the hidden transcripts, questionable birth certificate and shadowy muslim upbringing to go along with it

bluetick wrote:http://thegrio.com/2013/11/12/is-justic ... e-stinney/

14 yrs old.... 95 lbs, barely 5 ft tall...botched execution because he was a child in an adult electric chair

Terrible. One wonders how the Democrats could have been so adamant about fighting civil rights legislation.

I feel the same way about the economy. Why have we gotten to the point where we blame politicians for the unemployment rate or anything else to do with the economy? It's like they have just somehow taken over the role of "master of the economy" and that was never supposed to be the role of government at all. But yet here we sit, just accepting that the government has the ultimate responsibility to make the economy work and grow. That's bullshit. If they would just go away, the economy would take care of itself...

FDR started that shit.

Yeah, but even now you have so-called "conservatives" tittering and sniggering when, say, the unemployment numbers aren't good, as long as they can blame the dems. And the same goes for dems blaming repubs whenever something goes "wrong" with the economy. It's just an accepted "fact" by all parties that the government somehow not only has something to do with making the economy work, but has the ultimate responsibility and authority for it. And that's just wrong. Anybody claiming to be a conservative should be against that notion as the first principle of conservatism. But there are no conservatives anymore. Certainly not in this shithole. It's taken totally for granted that the government should be doing all kinds of shit that it manifestly should not be doing. These clowns in here only want to snipe about who should get what, not that nobody should get anything. Again, they're not conservatives, they're merely clowns pretending to be conservatives. And not even pretending, just trying to fool themselves that that's what they are. But they're not fooling anybody...

Fool

There is nothing inherently wrong w/gubment creating a safety net. The fight/debate is over how big and how much it cost. Unfortunately, base-line budgeting has soured me the gubment creating anything. Also, when they flat out lie about it...eg Sebelius saying "we're creating a market" and the press plays lap dog, we're all in a world of sh!te!!lll

I missed sebelius on the 17th tee while I was hitting a 5 iron fromn the 16th fairway by about 3 feet

if I'd only played a littlle more fade against the wind.........

She would have kicked your ass.

AugustWest wrote:FDR started that shit.

Good thing, too, otherwise we'd be under the thumb of the German American Bund.

"But for a lot of poor and middle-class folks, living with mom in the basement is getting old."

That applies to most of the posters in here as well..

AugustWest wrote:FDR started that shit.

From 1921 to 1933 there were three Republican presidents: Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover.

Check out this timeline:

1920's - By 1929, the richest 1 percent will own 40 percent of the nation's wealth. The bottom 93 percent will have experienced a 4 percent drop in real disposable income between 1923 and 1929. This despite individual worker productivity rising an astonishing 43 percent from 1919 to 1929. The rewards funneled to the top, as the number of millionaires increased tenfold during this span.

1924 - The stock market begins its spectacular rise. Bears little relation to the rest of the economy.

1929 - Annual per-capita income is $750. More than half of all Americans are living below a minimum subsistence level.

1930 - By February, the Federal Reserve has cut the prime interest rate from 6 to 4 percent. Treasury Secretary Mellon announces that the Fed will stand by as the market works itself out: "Liquidate labor, liquidate real estate...values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wreck from less-competent people."

1931 - No major legislation is passed addressing the Depression.

1932 - 10,000 banks have failed since 1929, or over 40 percent of the 1929 total.

1933 - Alarmed by newly-elected Roosevelt's plan to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, a group of millionaire businessmen led by the Du Pont and J. P. Morgan empires, plans to overthrow Roosevelt with a military coup and install a fascist government modeled after Mussolini's regime in Italy. The businessmen attempt to recruit General Smedlley Butler, promising him an army of 500,000, unlimited financial backing and generous media spin control. The plot is foiled when Butler reports it to Congress.

1945 - The top tax rate is 91 percent. It will stay at least 88 percent until 1963, when it is lowered to 70 percent. During this time America will experience the greatest economic boom it had ever known.

I don't care how much the economy would boom, I don't want the top tax rate going back to 91%...

91%? It may take the Second Coming to move from 33 back to 36..

and Jesus said "let the pre-2001 rates come unto mine"