The Goat Pen

Follow up to the Orlando shootings


Since the shooting at an Orlando nightclub last week that left 49 people dead, reports have emerged that gunman Omar Mateen frequented the gay club, used gay dating apps and had gay lovers.

But the FBI has found no evidence so far to support claims by those who say Mateen had gay lovers or communicated on gay dating apps, several law enforcement officials said.

Mateen, 29, told police negotiators he had carried out the shooting that began at 2 a.m. June 12 and ended, after a three-hour standoff, when he was killed by police.

He claimed the shooting was carried out in allegiance to the militant group Islamic State, as a message to halt U.S. bombing in Iraq and Syria.

Several Pulse regulars have come forward in the days since the shooting, claiming to have seen Mateen at the club or to have been contacted by him on the gay dating apps Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam.

On Tuesday, Univision aired a report in which “Miguel,” a man wearing a disguise to conceal his identity, alleged he had sex with Mateen after meeting him on the gay dating app, Grindr. He said Mateen had sex with other men too, including a threesome with a Puerto Rican who allegedly told Mateen, after having had unprotected sex with him, that he was HIV positive.

But investigators do not consider the man’s account credible, according to one senior law enforcement official with access to the investigation.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orl ... story.html

crashcourse wrote:that will be all winthorpe

OUTSTANDING!!!


WELL DONE!

These idiots cost me a bunch

Unrealized, though. Unless you have to liquidate positions this summer to pay for something or have large stakes in Barclays or lines like that, you'll be fine.

sardis wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /86405874/

I can see that sentiment

and it is happening here

"But will leaders learn the lesson? It seems doubtful. As Bloomberg’s Megan McArdle observed about the post-Brexit reaction, they mostly seemed to double down. “The inability of those elites to grapple with the rich world’s populist moment has been on full display on social media. Journalists and academics seemed to feel that they had not made it sufficiently clear that people who oppose open borders are a bunch of racist rubes who couldn’t count to 20 with their shoes on, and hence will believe any daft thing they’re told."

Here in American, the John Stewarts and George Wills of the country may be badly underestimating the power of Nationalism. I'll be happy to show them a map of Canada if Trump wins.

I kind of hear you...but I don't know if it flies. I was "1%ing" it this weekend (don't get me wrong, I am not NYC 1%, but I keep good company) in Southampton, so this anecdote comes from one of the hated Wall Streeters. I don't know if it is accurate because I have not read much the last 4 days. However...it was stated (not heard by me) that after the Brexit, the top Google searches in the UK were as follows...

1. What is Brexit
2. What is the EU
3. What happens if Britain leaves the EU

If that is correct, it tells me that there was a lot of ignorance by the electorate on what they were voting for. Those seaarch results don't say that it was the "Leavers" that posted the searches...as opposed to the "Remainers" or non-voters, but it does speak to the general lack of understanding that existed going into the vote.

This will be more of an econmic consequence to Britain than the rest of the world. I really think they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Now there is talk of Scotland pushing again for secession (when they voted by a 60% margin to stay a couple years ago) and Northern Ireland unifying with Ireland (which doesn't make economic sense, personally). This vote could lead to the fracturing of the country that made a vote based on "nationalism." Oh, the irony.

but the focus can't just be economic.

That's the globalists narrow view.

Its about adherence to EU rules about inclusion, immigration (migration - and in Britain is isn't so much middle eastern as it is European), and the sense of self identity.

Also, I think some of it is this idea that a country like Greece completely tanks and the other countries who are adhering to austerity having to either bail them out of suffer due to resources being allocated to whoever has acted irresponsibly.

Yes, I'm sure Britain will suffer economically early on - and it may isolate them in the future, but as of now , no one can claim with any certainty they'll be less robust after a few years of independence. Obviously I hope they thrive because I just want to see that slap in the face to all the globalists who preached doom and gloom for them choosing to be nationalists.

And keep in mind, Britian never adopted the Euro, so self governance has always been in the forefront of their minds for 20 or more years.

Cameron also built this up with some self promotion by promising to renegotiate with the EU and failed to do so. He attempted to placate the masses with promises he never intended to keep in order to maintain status quo - much like what our government - both Democrats and Republicans have done here which has given rise to Donald Trump.

and finally the voting isn't necessarily representative of the people's mindset. The people who supported remain had a mantra of Remain and Reform...so the British were very intent on making a change in their representation inside the EU. The idea of prosperity with the EU status quo was DOA to a much bigger percentage of Brits than a yes or no vote represents. That explains the "What happens if Britain leaves the EU" mindset of late.

and Hawaii takes the first step to making gun owners concerns about background checks a reality
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Hawaii's governor signed a bill making it the first state to place its residents who own firearms in a federal criminal record database and monitor them for possible wrongdoing anywhere in the country, his office said.

The move by gun control proponents in the liberal state represents an effort to institute some limits on firearms in the face of a bitter national debate over guns that this week saw Democratic lawmakers stage a sit-in at the U.S. House of Representatives.

Hawaii Governor David Ige, a Democrat, on Thursday signed into law a bill to have police in the state enroll people into an FBI criminal monitoring service after they register their firearms as already required, his office said in a statement.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation database called "Rap Back" will allow Hawaii police to be notified when a firearm owner from the state is arrested anywhere in the United States.

"This will be more of an econmic consequence to Britain than the rest of the world. I really think they are cutting off their nose to spite their face."

Who, Londoners?, perhaps; but those outside London? Their lives probably will stay miserable and the only thing they have is their patriotism.

I'm not really sure a worldwide traditional trading nation like the UK belongs in the EU. As a continental trade bloc it makes some sense, but UK has bigger ties than Europe worldwide. They have former colonies worldwide, other nations with which there are common law ties, and historical trade ties going back to colonial times. Since they are in the EU, the UK doesn't have the sovereignty to negotiate trade agreements with Canada or India or Australia. They have to wait on the rest of Europe and then even if it gets done it's on the European parliament's terms not the UK's.

Free trade, open borders, cooperation, community are all great (and should still be on the table) but it seems like the UK has a ton to lose control over by ceding power over trade to Brussels

Gun sales are on a pace to break last year's record of more than 23 million, a boon to the U.S. industry and gun stores thanks to election-year worries about gun control and recent terror attacks, according to government figures and experts.

Under Obama, background checks for guns reached 141.4 million through the end of May, amounting to sales of about 52,600 a day, according to the FBI. Last year, the FBI conducted more than 23 million background checks, which are generally used to figure sales of new and used weapons.

Domestically, manufacturers have reported producing about 21,000 guns a day, or more than 46 million in Obama's first six years in office.

And should Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton continue to best Republican Donald Trump in the polls, sales could hit new highs, according to industry experts.

sardis wrote:"This will be more of an econmic consequence to Britain than the rest of the world. I really think they are cutting off their nose to spite their face."

Who, Londoners?, perhaps; but those outside London? Their lives probably will stay miserable and the only thing they have is their patriotism.

The tape will tell the tale, but "miserable" is a relative term that has plenty of downside.

We'll see.

If this feared Scottish and NI secession happens, then it does become a colossal failure for the UK...and even with aTm's totally valid points, this may wind up being a bigger headache for the UK than the voters realized. Globalization is the genie. It's out the bottle and I don't see how the tide is stopped.

I'm all for free trade and even for open borders and combined labor markets, all that. I'm a bona fide globalist.

However, I want our own government to hold the cards to play them if we need them. That way we can still embargo who we want, apply political pressure through trade negotiations with who we want, without being beholden to the opinion of international politicians who may totally disagree politically with a majority of our populace.

NAFTA = great

North American Union where Canada and Mexico have input on our trade agreements and have to sign off before we can get one done? No fucking way. So I might have voted for Leave too, I dunno.

The world is not at a place where we can all sing kumbaya and start up the United Federation of Planets, its a place where there are a lot of bad governments with bad ideas about how to do things.

good read on Snowden . its about his life living virtually but its worth noting his effect on radicalizing the private sector to fight back against government surveillance and the softening tone of the current administration on him.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... robot.html

aTm wrote:I'm all for free trade and even for open borders and combined labor markets, all that. I'm a bona fide globalist.

However, I want our own government to hold the cards to play them if we need them. That way we can still embargo who we want, apply political pressure through trade negotiations with who we want, without being beholden to the opinion of international politicians who may totally disagree politically with a majority of our populace.

NAFTA = great

North American Union where Canada and Mexico have input on our trade agreements and have to sign off before we can get one done? No fucking way. So I might have voted for Leave too, I dunno.

The world is not at a place where we can all sing kumbaya and start up the United Federation of Planets, its a place where there are a lot of bad governments with bad ideas about how to do things.

I agree with you. National sovereignty especially for a major power like the UK is a big deal. Perhaps the value of the EU is worth the concessions they need to make on their sovereignty but I don't really know and I have some doubts. I can see a serious argument in favor of leaving that has nothing to do with nationalism or racism. I agree with ATM that there is no way I'd want the US to enter into any sort of union like the EU. As an aside, I find it amusing how many people are absolutely sure that they know this is a bad (or good) thing. It's completely impossible to know with any certainty at all how this will turn out and the guarantees from all the "experts" out there are worthless. Sure, there are some informed opinions that are worth considering but the doom and gloom because some economists and politicians have declared disaster is ridiculous. If they are right, it's much more likely a coincidence than because they really know what this means for the future.

My money is on it being neutral for the broader global economy, bad for British banks and a 2 year nightmare with bureaucrats trying to figure out how to make this all work. The EU was created with a mind to aligning economic interests across Europe and slowing down the common pop-ups of military tension between neighbors. The history of the Americas is different than the history of the Euros, obviously. It's not solely about where things are, but where things came from. The UK were always reluctant participants (as eCat points out in their decision to not adopt the currency) in this union. They did it because they felt there were beneficial economic and political interests (which does not exist here, in that same manner). So, I always pull myself away from analogizing the UK's decision fully against a hypothetical American decision.

Anyway, as I keep saying...I think it's a not-well-planned-out decision that was made and I think it will hurt the UK domestically. We'll see how it all plays out. Maybe the UK will come out stronger for it, I'm struggling to see that happening.

The biggest EU partners (Germany and France especially) are going to pressure the other members to lower the boom on the UK. Tariffs are one thing, outright trading bans are something else. Germany alone is set to lose 50 billion dollars the first year of the UK exit, so naturally they aren't feeling the love. But the over-riding reason for making the UK miserable is to insure that nobody else goes the same route.

Bklyn wrote: If that is correct, it tells me that there was a lot of ignorance by the electorate on what they were voting for. Those seaarch results don't say that it was the "Leavers" that posted the searches...as opposed to the "Remainers" or non-voters, but it does speak to the general lack of understanding that existed going into the vote.

Ignorance won the vote though for the exit crowd

long-term effects on Britain if Scotland leaves the UK. Other than that, things will normalize. If Labor wins the election at the end of the year, expect another vote on leaving the EU (unless the exit is faster)