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eCat wrote:

Saint wrote:well, I just watched Real Sports on HBO and now I think that UNC, along with probably the entire NCAA, is a fraud when it comes to graduating football and basketball players. I'm sure there are other so-called student-athletes who get passes, too, but most of it is where the money is: football and basketball. The only defense of UNC is that the report seems to indicate the situation stems from the eligibility rule change that lowered admission test scores but stated 50% of a program's athletes had to graduation to be eligible for the postseason.

There won't be any sanctions for UNC and I am positive that some version of what is happening there is going on at every big-time Div. I sports program. But UNC will take the fall for it and rightfully so. Just like nearly everything else in our society, money has taken over and overturned everything in its wake.

if there aren't any sanctions then what fall are they going to take? a tv news report?

"everyone is doing it" is not a valid excuse.

eCat wrote:I"ll let myself get excited about our chances if we beat Michigan.

Michigan is a 40% 3 point shooting team that won the big 10 with another big 10 team already in the final four.

We'll have our hands full and then some today.

The bigger issue isn't whether Florida beats us for the 4th time - its that Cal took a team on the brink of disaster and turned it around.

You think he's killing recruiting now - good god - just be able to walk into a kids house and tell him that he *CAN* take a starting 5 of freshmen and get them to a final four, he can take kids that NBA scouts saying should stay another year in school at least mid season and have them first round draft picks by April.

If we get to the final four - and lose - Cal will still own recruiting for the next 5 years. While I can't imagine winning the national championship and I refuse to even consider it - it would take this discussion to a new level.

If we lose to Michigan today - there will be a mixed bag of reviews about the season as a whole, but much, much fewer people will call it a disappointment

Saint wrote:

eCat wrote:I"ll let myself get excited about our chances if we beat Michigan.

Michigan is a 40% 3 point shooting team that won the big 10 with another big 10 team already in the final four.

We'll have our hands full and then some today.

The bigger issue isn't whether Florida beats us for the 4th time - its that Cal took a team on the brink of disaster and turned it around.

You think he's killing recruiting now - good god - just be able to walk into a kids house and tell him that he *CAN* take a starting 5 of freshmen and get them to a final four, he can take kids that NBA scouts saying should stay another year in school at least mid season and have them first round draft picks by April.

If we get to the final four - and lose - Cal will still own recruiting for the next 5 years. While I can't imagine winning the national championship and I refuse to even consider it - it would take this discussion to a new level.

If we lose to Michigan today - there will be a mixed bag of reviews about the season as a whole, but much, much fewer people will call it a disappointment

Come on, those kids don't care about turning it around. His only recruiting spiel has to do with where they'll go in the draft.

Saint wrote:

eCat wrote:

Saint wrote:well, I just watched Real Sports on HBO and now I think that UNC, along with probably the entire NCAA, is a fraud when it comes to graduating football and basketball players. I'm sure there are other so-called student-athletes who get passes, too, but most of it is where the money is: football and basketball. The only defense of UNC is that the report seems to indicate the situation stems from the eligibility rule change that lowered admission test scores but stated 50% of a program's athletes had to graduation to be eligible for the postseason.

There won't be any sanctions for UNC and I am positive that some version of what is happening there is going on at every big-time Div. I sports program. But UNC will take the fall for it and rightfully so. Just like nearly everything else in our society, money has taken over and overturned everything in its wake.

if there aren't any sanctions then what fall are they going to take? a tv news report?

"everyone is doing it" is not a valid excuse.

the fall from their lofty perch of being one of the top academic public universities to being just like everyone else.

"Everyone else is doing it" isn't an excuse for UNC or any other big-time NCAA program. and per that report, everyone is indeed doing it because the NCAA rules change pretty much created the situation.

When was the last time you heard of a player being "academically ineligible?" It doesn't happen anymore and it's not because a school is all of a sudden being transparent and has a solid tutoring program...

eCat wrote:

Saint wrote:

eCat wrote:I"ll let myself get excited about our chances if we beat Michigan.

Michigan is a 40% 3 point shooting team that won the big 10 with another big 10 team already in the final four.

We'll have our hands full and then some today.

The bigger issue isn't whether Florida beats us for the 4th time - its that Cal took a team on the brink of disaster and turned it around.

You think he's killing recruiting now - good god - just be able to walk into a kids house and tell him that he *CAN* take a starting 5 of freshmen and get them to a final four, he can take kids that NBA scouts saying should stay another year in school at least mid season and have them first round draft picks by April.

If we get to the final four - and lose - Cal will still own recruiting for the next 5 years. While I can't imagine winning the national championship and I refuse to even consider it - it would take this discussion to a new level.

If we lose to Michigan today - there will be a mixed bag of reviews about the season as a whole, but much, much fewer people will call it a disappointment

Come on, those kids don't care about turning it around. His only recruiting spiel has to do with where they'll go in the draft.

I didn't say they did, what I said was he can tell them that by mid season that everyone on the team had played themselves out of the draft except Randle and by the end of the year with his "tweaks" (whatever the hell that is if anything) he got them back into the draft.

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