The Goat Pen

not a machine gun

Saint wrote:I'm all for guns. The more the better. I just laugh at the notion that people have that owning a gun will keep them safe from a govt, as armed as ours is, if it came to that. There are already more weapons restrictions in place than not. Try to buy a tank or anti-aircraft weapon or a bazooka or whatever they're called now. I just wish that 2nd Amendment argument would have its skull smashed into bits because if the US military decides to come get you, a fucking machine gun ain't going to buy you that much more time than a Daisy air rifle will.

its never been about the government coming after you

its been about the government controlling everyone.


Take that Clive Bundy thing - right or wrong, had the guy stood there doing the "from my cold dead hands" routine by himself, he would have got a bullet in the head, mop it up and move on

but when 300 - 400 people showed up armed to defend what this guy was standing up for, now its a different issue - not because those 300 armed people had a chance against the national guard, but now they realize its not just one man standing up to them.

The swat team backed down in that instance.

Even when his idiot sons showed up to occupy that remote park or whatever it was - the authorities were not going to go in against an armed group of people who had some level of public support behind them.

BigRedMan wrote:

Bklyn wrote:Meh. I still look at our policies to focus my criticism. Rhetoric is only valuable to me in the absence of policy.

There are a lot of big words in those sentences and I am gonna take it at disrespect.

LMAO. Well done, sir. And I'm not being condescending when I say that.

I've said before, I grew up with guns in the house. My dad is from Georgia. He and my uncles used to hunt a lot when I was growing up, driving out to Central Pennsylvania. When we used to go visit my grandmother, we shot rifles with my cousins. I'm not against guns, but the inaction on getting anything done in the legislature to address some of the basic wants of (the majority of) the American populace (of all political stripes) is horrible.

eCat wrote:

Saint wrote:I'm all for guns. The more the better. I just laugh at the notion that people have that owning a gun will keep them safe from a govt, as armed as ours is, if it came to that. There are already more weapons restrictions in place than not. Try to buy a tank or anti-aircraft weapon or a bazooka or whatever they're called now. I just wish that 2nd Amendment argument would have its skull smashed into bits because if the US military decides to come get you, a fucking machine gun ain't going to buy you that much more time than a Daisy air rifle will.

its never been about the government coming after you

its been about the government controlling everyone.


Take that Clive Bundy thing - right or wrong, had the guy stood there doing the "from my cold dead hands" routine by himself, he would have got a bullet in the head, mop it up and move on

but when 300 - 400 people showed up armed to defend what this guy was standing up for, now its a different issue - not because those 300 armed people had a chance against the national guard, but now they realize its not just one man standing up to them.

The swat team backed down in that instance.

Even when his idiot sons showed up to occupy that remote park or whatever it was - the authorities were not going to go in against an armed group of people who had some level of public support behind them.

That's not 2nd Amendment, that's just people who arm themselves because they don't like how the law applies to them. They were breaking the law and claiming their rights were being violated.

Glad to see BRM still watches Inside Edition

Saint wrote:

eCat wrote:

Saint wrote:I'm all for guns. The more the better. I just laugh at the notion that people have that owning a gun will keep them safe from a govt, as armed as ours is, if it came to that. There are already more weapons restrictions in place than not. Try to buy a tank or anti-aircraft weapon or a bazooka or whatever they're called now. I just wish that 2nd Amendment argument would have its skull smashed into bits because if the US military decides to come get you, a fucking machine gun ain't going to buy you that much more time than a Daisy air rifle will.

its never been about the government coming after you

its been about the government controlling everyone.


Take that Clive Bundy thing - right or wrong, had the guy stood there doing the "from my cold dead hands" routine by himself, he would have got a bullet in the head, mop it up and move on

but when 300 - 400 people showed up armed to defend what this guy was standing up for, now its a different issue - not because those 300 armed people had a chance against the national guard, but now they realize its not just one man standing up to them.

The swat team backed down in that instance.

Even when his idiot sons showed up to occupy that remote park or whatever it was - the authorities were not going to go in against an armed group of people who had some level of public support behind them.

That's not 2nd Amendment, that's just people who arm themselves because they don't like how the law applies to them. They were breaking the law and claiming their rights were being violated.

I'm sure any time anyone has taken arms up against the government they breaking the law and didn't like how the law applies to them. That's usually why they have to arm themselves.

that's pretty much the heart of the second amendment.

Bklyn wrote: I'm not against guns, but the inaction on getting anything done in the legislature to address some of the basic wants of (the majority of) the American populace (of all political stripes) is horrible.

as shown by the historic levels of guns sales during the Obama administration.

majority indeed.

They should have been executed on sight in Oregon. There are plenty of ways to get around the law besides that type of grandstanding.

"as shown by the historic levels of guns sales during the Obama administration.

majority indeed."

Historic levels of gun sales has no correlation with what the majority believes concerning the 2nd Amendment, but what the majority believes (or rather, are willing to vote on) has direct bearing (indeed, authority) over the constitution. But I doubt there's nearly enough of a majority (via the various legislatures involved) to repeal the 2nd Amendment or propose another one that would limit it...

hedge wrote:"as shown by the historic levels of guns sales during the Obama administration.

majority indeed."

Historic levels of gun sales has no correlation with what the majority believes concerning the 2nd Amendment, but what the majority believes (or rather, are willing to vote on) has direct bearing (indeed, authority) over the constitution. But I doubt there's nearly enough of a majority (via the various legislatures involved) to repeal the 2nd Amendment or propose another one that would limit it...

how many times have people demanded more gun control measures and they have failed?

Most of the people that are for gun control live in urban areas that already have strict gun control

hedge wrote:You mean during the crusades? I was speaking of a more effective method that I referred to as sex, drugs and rock and roll the other day. That has worked pretty well with the christians, but again, it took a few hundred years and obviously some of them will never be turned, but for the most part they're now docile and know their place. The same with happen with the muslims. Maybe not in our lifetime, but they won't be able to resist in the long run. Our way is just better, and getting better all the time. It is remarkable seeing as our country was founded by embittered puritans chewing on stale bread and thinking that's the way life is supposed to be, but here we are now with iPhones and free porn and pot soon to be legalized in every state. Amazing, isn't it?

Check out this story about a new Western style mall in Basra, Iraq.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36532435

Gun Control. Heh.

but when 300 - 400 people showed up armed to defend what this guy was standing up for, now its a different issue - not because those 300 armed people had a chance against the national guard, but now they realize its not just one man standing up to them.

That was about television more than anything else.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Why someone would want bear or alligator arms, I don't know.

eCat wrote:
as shown by the historic levels of guns sales during the Obama administration.

majority indeed.

Not related. I was speaking about measures as simple as background checks. 80% of GOP voters (over 90 in DEM) are for them. Lobby efforts keel these measures from even going to vote. So, yeah, majority.

Also, more information that will mean nothing...

https://t.co/yaCPDL5IIN

"Check out this story about a new Western style mall in Basra, Iraq. "

I like the last line of this article:

"I suggest to my Iraqi friend that, ultimately, this symbol of western consumerism could pose a much greater threat to Basra's religious reactionaries than the British military ever did. He thinks for a moment, then concurs. "This is the wave of the future," he says. "It can't be resisted.""

Amen to that...

Of course this raises existential questions as to whether tepid consumerism and the even more tepid satisfactions derived thereof are better than rabid or even merely avid so-called spiritual endeavors as embodied by Islam (or any major religion, really), but given a choice b/w those two scenarios, I know which side I'd fall on every time. Happily, those aren't the only two choices available, but I'd say it's easier to liberate oneself from the former than the latter, even while recognizing that the former is perhaps an evolutionary-like type of liberation from the latter. Of course Marx was saying pretty much the same thing almost 200 years ago...

They are either wusses or sympathizers.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... t_out.html

I will be so glad when Obama and his band of idiots are gone

Only to be replaced with Hillary and her band of assassins. You do realize Trump isn't winning this thing I hope.