The Goat Pen

eCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:07 am FSU and Clemson are ready to be in the SEC now

maybe UNC too

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:30 am Carolina's leadership wants out of the ACC....

Well, the fucked up world of North Carolina politics is here to intervene and fuck things up as usual.

UNC has a Board of Trustees, and the entire system is governed by the UNC Board of Governors. The BOG has the real power and calls the big shots whereas the BOT is more of an advise and consent type body with day-to-day admin responsibilities.

In the never-ending power struggle between the right wing legislature (especially Berger and the state senate) and the governor (Democrat Roy Cooper), the legislature stripped the governor's ability to point some of the boards and made all of the appointments senate and house appointments instead of those entities only having part of the appointments.

The right wing has always hated UNC as a general rule, and the small parts of the right wing that do have some affinity for UNC want to reshape the institution completely (see Pope, Art). Now, the right wing elements have appointed stooges to the BOG and BOT. The BOG is controlled and led by NC State stooges who are major donors to the GOP and do as told by Phil Berger (senate's president pro tem), and they have been trying to screw Carolina at every step. Heck, a prime example of the right wing stooges' skull duggery was when the right wing's Carolina-hating-stooges tried to stop Larry Fedora's extension (BOG has to approve such contracts) after the 11 win 2015 season. The current chancellor -- who was handpicked by the GOP's stooges -- is so sick and tired of the GOP's stooges on the BOG and BOT doing/saying stupid shit and attempting to micromanage that he is about to take the head job at the dumpster fire that is Michigan State, a place that has had five or six different heads in as many years with scandals to match. The only good thing that the GOP BOT has done without fucking up (so far) is that they are being proactive on expansion and want to leave the ACC, and the current chancellor isn't thrilled with the idea of leaving the ACC (that being really the only major issue with his tenure in the eyes of most folks who have any idea what is happening). These dipshits want to tie State to Carolina like the Virginia legislature tied VT and UVa together 20 years ago during ACC expansion to force VT into the ACC (the original plan was Syracuse, BC and Miami). If that's the case, Carolina is fucked most likely because the P2 conferences could go to their next option (or stand pat) instead of taking on that dead weight in Raleigh (yes, they may own UNC in football as of late, but that brand is limited to the confines of this state and being in a far distant second or third at best).

These folks tried to nail Carolina over the NCAA mess / tutor and paper class crap but couldn't, and they're still pissed about that.

The GOP's hatred of UNC is fueled by two things:
1) First and foremost, UNC has been the traditional epicenter of North Carolina liberalism / progressive politics, but it should be noted that said influence / role has diminished a good bit imho. Conservatives have been railing against Carolina because of this for over a century (even when this was a "one party state" there was a constant battle between the conservative and liberal/progressive factions).
2) Much of the GOP's legislative leadership has been made up of non-natives those who moved to NC (moves that would have never occurred had Democrats like Terry Sanford and Jim Hunt not helped make this state what it is today), and so apart from having no ties to the school and appreciation for its role in the state's ascent, these folks tend to view Carolina as the "establishment" that they want to destroy.

It's going to be a nightmare if these assholes keep it up.

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 am

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:30 am Carolina's leadership wants out of the ACC....

Well, the fucked up world of North Carolina politics is here to intervene and fuck things up as usual.

UNC has a Board of Trustees, and the entire system is governed by the UNC Board of Governors. The BOG has the real power and calls the big shots whereas the BOT is more of an advise and consent type body with day-to-day admin responsibilities.

In the never-ending power struggle between the right wing legislature (especially Berger and the state senate) and the governor (Democrat Roy Cooper), the legislature stripped the governor's ability to point some of the boards and made all of the appointments senate and house appointments instead of those entities only having part of the appointments.

The right wing has always hated UNC as a general rule, and the small parts of the right wing that do have some affinity for UNC want to reshape the institution completely (see Pope, Art). Now, the right wing elements have appointed stooges to the BOG and BOT. The BOG is controlled and led by NC State stooges who are major donors to the GOP and do as told by Phil Berger (senate's president pro tem), and they have been trying to screw Carolina at every step. Heck, a prime example of the right wing stooges' skull duggery was when the right wing's Carolina-hating-stooges tried to stop Larry Fedora's extension (BOG has to approve such contracts) after the 11 win 2015 season. The current chancellor -- who was handpicked by the GOP's stooges -- is so sick and tired of the GOP's stooges on the BOG and BOT doing/saying stupid shit and attempting to micromanage that he is about to take the head job at the dumpster fire that is Michigan State, a place that has had five or six different heads in as many years with scandals to match. The only good thing that the GOP BOT has done without fucking up (so far) is that they are being proactive on expansion and want to leave the ACC, and the current chancellor isn't thrilled with the idea of leaving the ACC (that being really the only major issue with his tenure in the eyes of most folks who have any idea what is happening). These dipshits want to tie State to Carolina like the Virginia legislature tied VT and UVa together 20 years ago during ACC expansion to force VT into the ACC (the original plan was Syracuse, BC and Miami). If that's the case, Carolina is fucked most likely because the P2 conferences could go to their next option (or stand pat) instead of taking on that dead weight in Raleigh (yes, they may own UNC in football as of late, but that brand is limited to the confines of this state and being in a far distant second or third at best).

These folks tried to nail Carolina over the NCAA mess / tutor and paper class crap but couldn't, and they're still pissed about that.

The GOP's hatred of UNC is fueled by two things:
1) First and foremost, UNC has been the traditional epicenter of North Carolina liberalism / progressive politics, but it should be noted that said influence / role has diminished a good bit imho. Conservatives have been railing against Carolina because of this for over a century (even when this was a "one party state" there was a constant battle between the conservative and liberal/progressive factions).
2) Much of the GOP's legislative leadership has been made up of non-natives those who moved to NC (moves that would have never occurred had Democrats like Terry Sanford and Jim Hunt not helped make this state what it is today), and so apart from having no ties to the school and appreciation for its role in the state's ascent, these folks tend to view Carolina as the "establishment" that they want to destroy.

It's going to be a nightmare if these assholes keep it up.

DS,

The democrat party of North Carolina gave us Mike Nifong. 'Nuff said.

eCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:21 am in the next 5 years the SEC might have their own 4 team playoff system.

Its killer now. Honestly, UK could have a very good team next year and not win a single game.

eCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:21 am in the next 5 years the SEC might have their own 4 team playoff system.

Its killer now. Honestly, UK could have a very good team next year and not win a single game.

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:43 am

innocentbystander wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:10 am

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:30 am Carolina's leadership wants out of the ACC....

Well, the fucked up world of North Carolina politics is here to intervene and fuck things up as usual.

UNC has a Board of Trustees, and the entire system is governed by the UNC Board of Governors. The BOG has the real power and calls the big shots whereas the BOT is more of an advise and consent type body with day-to-day admin responsibilities.

In the never-ending power struggle between the right wing legislature (especially Berger and the state senate) and the governor (Democrat Roy Cooper), the legislature stripped the governor's ability to point some of the boards and made all of the appointments senate and house appointments instead of those entities only having part of the appointments.

The right wing has always hated UNC as a general rule, and the small parts of the right wing that do have some affinity for UNC want to reshape the institution completely (see Pope, Art). Now, the right wing elements have appointed stooges to the BOG and BOT. The BOG is controlled and led by NC State stooges who are major donors to the GOP and do as told by Phil Berger (senate's president pro tem), and they have been trying to screw Carolina at every step. Heck, a prime example of the right wing stooges' skull duggery was when the right wing's Carolina-hating-stooges tried to stop Larry Fedora's extension (BOG has to approve such contracts) after the 11 win 2015 season. The current chancellor -- who was handpicked by the GOP's stooges -- is so sick and tired of the GOP's stooges on the BOG and BOT doing/saying stupid shit and attempting to micromanage that he is about to take the head job at the dumpster fire that is Michigan State, a place that has had five or six different heads in as many years with scandals to match. The only good thing that the GOP BOT has done without fucking up (so far) is that they are being proactive on expansion and want to leave the ACC, and the current chancellor isn't thrilled with the idea of leaving the ACC (that being really the only major issue with his tenure in the eyes of most folks who have any idea what is happening). These dipshits want to tie State to Carolina like the Virginia legislature tied VT and UVa together 20 years ago during ACC expansion to force VT into the ACC (the original plan was Syracuse, BC and Miami). If that's the case, Carolina is fucked most likely because the P2 conferences could go to their next option (or stand pat) instead of taking on that dead weight in Raleigh (yes, they may own UNC in football as of late, but that brand is limited to the confines of this state and being in a far distant second or third at best).

These folks tried to nail Carolina over the NCAA mess / tutor and paper class crap but couldn't, and they're still pissed about that.

The GOP's hatred of UNC is fueled by two things:
1) First and foremost, UNC has been the traditional epicenter of North Carolina liberalism / progressive politics, but it should be noted that said influence / role has diminished a good bit imho. Conservatives have been railing against Carolina because of this for over a century (even when this was a "one party state" there was a constant battle between the conservative and liberal/progressive factions).
2) Much of the GOP's legislative leadership has been made up of non-natives those who moved to NC (moves that would have never occurred had Democrats like Terry Sanford and Jim Hunt not helped make this state what it is today), and so apart from having no ties to the school and appreciation for its role in the state's ascent, these folks tend to view Carolina as the "establishment" that they want to destroy.

It's going to be a nightmare if these assholes keep it up.

DS,

The democrat party of North Carolina gave us Mike Nifong. 'Nuff said.

You’re further illuminating your ignorance. Durham and Dook are cesspools that needed Terry Sanford, a Carolina grad and Frank Porter Graham disciple no less, to make that school for over-privileged northern private school rejects into something other than the location a massive racist pumped his money when Princeton told him to fuck off.

Terry Sanford and Jim Hunt were godsends

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:43 am

eCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:21 am in the next 5 years the SEC might have their own 4 team playoff system.

Its killer now. Honestly, UK could have a very good team next year and not win a single game.

How are they going to handle scheduling? Pods?

aTm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:56 am

DooKSucks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:43 am

eCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:21 am in the next 5 years the SEC might have their own 4 team playoff system.

Its killer now. Honestly, UK could have a very good team next year and not win a single game.

How are they going to handle scheduling? Pods?

Next year is a one-off eight game schedule and they are going to reevaluate going to 9 games for 2025. The two options seem to be either 8 games with 7 rotating and one protected rivalry (basically what next year is) or 9 games with 6 rotating and 3 protected rivalry games. There are no longer any pods or divisions so what will happen is that Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Missouri will all go 7-1 and therfore Alabama will make the conference championship game.