Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[AlabamAlum]

Correct, DSL.

Millions of deaths by starvation, bombs, mortar, machine gun = Okay. Ignore it and let them figure it out.

Thousands of death by gas = shocking and heinous. MUST ACT NOW, OMERGAHHD!

[hedge]

Yeah, but the cat has been out of the bag for centuries already with the guns and starvation shit, not much to do about it now. But as far as gas and shit like that:

[Dr. Strangelove]

Off topic, but this is interesting...VW working with the UAW to establish a German-style works council in its Chattanooga plant. Even though the company is all for it, the Tenn Gov is adamantly opposed, fearing it could create a real "union problem" in the state

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/07/busin ... .html?_r=0

[AlabamAlum]

We've used poison gas in wars for close to a century now. Not sure we're getting that genie back in the bottle.

[Professor Tiger]

A US strike against Syria is making some strange ideological bedfellows. There are JFK-type liberals who are for it because they want to make the world a better place. There are Dennis Kucinich-type liberals who oppose it because they don't believe in using military force ever. You've got John McCain-type conservatives that are for it because they never met a war they didn't like. You've got Professor Tiger-type conservatives who are against because they have been cured of neoconnery, and you've got radio talk show-type conservatives who are against it simply because Obama is in favor of it.

[Jungle Rat]

Agent Orange was actually just Tang.

[SuperGator]

Well I for one support the president in attacking whoever used the gas. I say whoever because I think there is just as good a chance that the rebels did it as Assad. Whoever it is, I agree he should do something about it.

Why? Because he has already made the threat and we can't make empty threats and that was a brutal attack.

I don't agree with him getting congress involved because I see that as just a way to blame someone else when it goes bad. That's his MO.

I do think we should get the right ones and I hope we have some people honest enough to do the right thing instead of the thing that helps the emperor the most.

I feel the same. I just believe that we should test TND's on both sides since we aren't really sure who did what and then expand the test throughout the entire arabian peninsula.

[gule]

if mcCains for it, it can't be good.. that phucker is whacked!

[hedge]

Don't question ol alligator arms' motives. When you've been force to eat the ass end of rat on a stick at the hands of Charlie for 7 years, you tend to hang onto that bitterness...

[AugustWest]

Don't question ol alligator arms' motives. When you've been force to eat the ass end of rat on a stick at the hands of Charlie for 7 years, you tend to hang onto that bitterness...

heh. McCain doesnt know from bitterness.

[Jungle Rat]

Don't question ol alligator arms' motives. When you've been force to eat the ass end of rat on a stick at the hands of Charlie for 7 years, you tend to hang onto that bitterness...

You never complained when I made you eat my ass a few years back. You even liked the corn .

[hedge]

You make my point for me. If I liked that, why should McCain be bitter? As a side note, one of our drivers calls me McCain...

[bluetick]

Chemical weapons use is outlawed and the user is subject to sanction. Comparisons to conventional genocide are a false equivalency and obviously beside the point.

[AlabamAlum]

Outlawed. lol.

But you're correct - the situations are NOT equivalent. What's going on in those regions is much, much worse than what is going on in Syria.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Launching a military strike against a country that has done nothing to us directly, and without a UN mandate, is probably also illegal, per international law. But we don't seem too concerned about making sure THAT law gets followed to the letter.

I guess I don't understand why I should be morally outraged over Assad gassing 1000 people while the same people calling for war previously shrugged off the 199,000+ people he machine gunned, bombed, or raped to death "according to international law".

And that aside, it's been what? Over 3 weeks? And the administration has yet to present a single piece of actual evidence to the public that Assad did this? Hell, even Bush gave us a bunch of crappy, made-up bullshit before Iraq.

[AlabamAlum]

And besides that, there are numerous crimes in Darfur. Hell, the ICC issued an arrest warrant (among others) on al-Bashir himself.


It's not isolated, it's planned, large-scale genocide.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The guy who just became Kenya's new president is also wanted by the ICC. Kenya and Uganda are talking about withdrawing from the court and refusing to recognize its legitimacy.

[Jungle Rat]

Can't we just bomb Cleveland instead?

[10ac]

[hedge]

"Comparisons to conventional genocide are a false equivalency and obviously beside the point."

Something has gone weird when a term like "conventional genocide" can be used as casually as that..