The Goat Pen

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

AlabamAlum wrote:I don't know about other states, but to get a hunting license in Alabama, you have to use ID. With college IDs, you just have to be admitted to the school.

Free IDs are a small price to pay if this is an issue, but I don't know how big a problem it is nationally. I do know someone personally who places votes for all his non-voting relatives - which gives him 4-5 votes, and I know of someone on this board who votes for his mother.

I hate that politics is a part of the discussion. But there are people who look at this as a way to help their candidate - like some of the people who want to make it harder for overseas military to vote.

It's been a while since I applied to college...don't you usually have to provide some form of identification at some point in the admissions process? Like a SS card?

I suppose one could argue that a college ID can be faked, but I'm not sure why a fake hunting license would be any more difficult.

Voter fraud is a much bigger deal in the minds of some people than what the reality is. I'm trying to find the number of civil complaints about coting rights filed every year...best I could find was this

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/crcusdc06.pdf

On page three there's a chart showing that there are about 150-200 cases per year filed in federal courts alleging voting rights discrimination. I can't say how many were found for the plaintiff but that's significantly more instances than the actual documented cases of voter fraud people can't point to.

Anyways, forcing people to purchase some sort of "voting card" should be and ought to be illegal under the 24th amendment. It is just a poll tax by another name.

A free government-issued ID is a solution. After all, having an official -no cost- ID is a good thing and could potentially benefit the poor in other areas of life.

AlabamAlum wrote:The college IDs do not address citizenship status, do they?

The one-world-order types who are against SS can't be a concern.

AlabamAlum wrote:The one-world-order types who are against SS can't be a concern.

Owlman wrote:It's picking ID's based upon who they want to vote and that's bullshit.

AlabamAlum wrote:

Owlman wrote:It's picking ID's based upon who they want to vote and that's bullshit.

lol. It's a free ID for the microscopic portion of voting Americans who have somehow made it to 2013 without some form of government ID.

I find nothing unreasonable in issuing these free IDs for the paltry few to ensure that they are the person that they say they are when they go to vote.

Out of curiosity, do you know how many states require an ID to vote?

I think what he meant is that a hunting license being good enough to establish your identity while a college ID isn't is picking and choosing who you want voting to be easiest for. A free id for everyone is fine.

Owlman wrote:

gule wrote:100's of thousands? bwhahahaha, what a complete lie! You can't find Ten people that were denied their vote.

Exactly. Because the courts stopped it, for example, in Pennsylvania before several hundred thousands were disenfranchised. But the rules you are proposing if implemented will take off 100's of thousands. The statement stands.