The Goat Pen

sardis wrote:I think Boeheim had to send a message and was willing to take a loss to do it. Listen here, ref, we may be new to this conference, but our program is just as big as Duke's and I have been coaching as long as he has. The weak leadership at UNC may let have this shit slide for years, but I sure as he'll ain't going quietly into the night.

That reaction wasn't calculated. It was too fast and spontaneous. First off, I've lived in Syracuse. Like most top teams, they get the 50/50 calls at home. Syracuse has had that advantage this year (including a call against Parker late in the 4th Quarter in the Carrier Dome). He just lost it and cost a chance for his team to at least tie the game.

At least he's learned not to physically cry when he disagrees with the refs.

I discount your comments based on your Blue Devil bias. You are no full on hedge-level apologist, true, but I'm just keeping it real.

I think eCat was most right. It was a call that, when following the new rules, should have been called a blocking foul...but probably should have been a no call. I can't speak on the "too fast" commentary because it's not like Boeheim could not have had that on his mind, considering the way the last few minutes were played. I think it is beyond plausible it was a deliberate action by Boeheim and am still convinced he did it on purpose. I've seen Popovich do it countless times for the Spurs.

Cal has a kid from the make-a-wish foundation practice with the team, has lunch with the team, sit behind the team on the bench and then brings him to the post game conference to address the media after the win



I'm glad Cal is our coach for a number of reasons.

I think every coach going in Duke should meet with the refs before hand and again in the last 5 minutes of the game and bluntly remind them that you aren't going to put up with any bullshit charging calls because of Duke flopping. Bring it up during pregame interviews and the interview at half time.

I mean, I"m sure they do it anyways in some form or another but if I were a coach, I'd just get it out in the open , take my lumps from the fans and media for saying it and but in reality take that weapon away from Duke.

Probably won't work. Shane Battier has built an NBA career off of it.

if you did, you better be prepared to get fried by the announcers. Vitale alone would go off on you for 20 minutes.

But think about a coach like Boeheim walking in and saying "all I'm worried about is that we don't get any charging calls that change the momentum of the game that seems to happen so many other teams playing Duke" and then you have an ending to the game like yesterday.

The media would have a field day and it would be pro Boeheim afterwards. That alone might create a bias against Duke among the officials.

eCat wrote:Cal has a kid from the make-a-wish foundation practice with the team, has lunch with the team, sit behind the team on the bench and then brings him to the post game conference to address the media after the win



I'm glad Cal is our coach for a number of reasons.

Story from Sporting News.

Damn goldenbear. You've shown a pure inability to look at anything objectively. Everything is in superlatives with you. Roy is the worse coach while having to put up with the worse refs who always cheat against Carolina. It's what makes your posts entertaining but irrelevant at the same time.[/quote]


First only one game as been badly officiated this year and that was at FSU ( i even mentioned Johnson no goal tending call it was brutal)

Roy is doing a good job this year because he as changed things up for the first time in years. He changed in a different way last year he went small but it took him more than half the season again.

But losing to Belmont, Miami and Texas at home could cost this team a top 3 seed which to me is a big deal 3 verse 5 or 6.

Owlman if you dont think coach K gets 95% of the (50/50 to 70/30 ) block charges your not being objective at all.

I speak in truths not wiishy washy I dont want to offend anyone BS. I dont give a shit if you thing I am bias it is the truth.

I have few Cuse friends and they used to think I was nuts hating on Coach K but after last night they totally get it.

It is a different game in Durham than any other place in the country. Handcheck and Flop U.

There is a reason Why duke Guards are bad defenders in the NBA ( outside of battier) I dont know a Duke player that is a good defender at the next level.

They are taught to hand check and flop.

Bklyn wrote:I discount your comments based on your Blue Devil bias. You are no full on hedge-level apologist, true, but I'm just keeping it real.

I think eCat was most right. It was a call that, when following the new rules, should have been called a blocking foul...but probably should have been a no call. I can't speak on the "too fast" commentary because it's not like Boeheim could not have had that on his mind, considering the way the last few minutes were played. I think it is beyond plausible it was a deliberate action by Boeheim and am still convinced he did it on purpose. I've seen Popovich do it countless times for the Spurs.

I don't have a Duke bias. At Cameron, 50/50 calls go to Duke. At UNC, 50/50 calls have pretty much gone to UNC. At Kentucky, they go to Kentucky. And when games are at Syracuse, they go to Syracuse. That's the bias that goes on with the top teams. The idiocy is denying that it happens for the team you follow (goldie).

As for the foul, it probably was a foul, but it was a close call. It wasn't the worst call of the year, their have been many more (I still don't understand the call against LSU with 11 seconds in regulation at Kentucky, but that's Wildcat home cooking too-that's why I need to see a replay).

goldenbear wrote:Owlman if you dont think coach K gets 95% of the (50/50 to 70/30 ) block charges your not being objective at all.

I speak in truths not wiishy washy I dont want to offend anyone BS. I dont give a shit if you thing I am bias it is the truth.

I have few Cuse friends and they used to think I was nuts hating on Coach K but after last night they totally get it.

It is a different game in Durham than any other place in the country. Handcheck and Flop U.

You don't speak in truth, you speak with stupidity. That's what makes you funny, that fact that you think it's the truth. Roy is the worse coach ever, these are the worst refs ever, why did they call that foul on UNC, they always foul the Tarheel player, he is the worst, etc. Every game for years.

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Saint wrote:I don't think that was a bad call. Hood shuffled his feet but was set before contact. The so-called foul on Hood on the dunk in the Carrierdome was also legit because the Cuse defender got his hand on the ball while their elbows collided.

Doesn't matter if his feet were were set before contact, the new rule states you must be set before the ballcarrier starts his upward motion.

They were set before that, too.

should be a no call in that suituation let em play
loved boeheims press conference

Obviously I have no love for Dook and on top of that it would've behooved UNC for them to lose to Cuse on Saturday, but as I watched that play live and on the replay I thought it was the right call. At the very least, it wasn't a bad call, although I guess it could've been a no-call. Loved Boeheim's reaction, that was almost worth it just to see that...

I hope to God it was a spontaneous response by Boeheim. For those of you who say it was calculated, do you realize what you are saying? Instead of screaming at the refs from the sideline, not getting a technical, and giving your team a chance to at least tie, he throws the game away and potentially a 1st round buy and all just to make a point? That's a lot more damning than losing his cool.

We have all seen that exact same situation in hundreds of games - as long as we have been watching basketball - and how many times can you remember the call being an offensive foul?

I'm not talking about the guy charging down the lane and bowls over a guy, I'm talking about what we have here - a guy sliding by the player who is supposedly set and brushing him with his hip and/or leg.

Its a no call virtually everywhere but Duke.

Actually, most of the time until this year, it's been a charge. That's why they changed the rule.

"I'm not talking about the guy charging down the lane and bowls over a guy, I'm talking about what we have here - a guy sliding by the player who is supposedly set and brushing him with his hip and/or leg."

It was somewhere b/w those two extremes. He didn't bowl him over, but it was more than a brush by. Again, I would've rather seen a no-call (or even a blocking foul), but calling a charge there didn't seem egregious to me when I saw it live or on the replay. I need to look at it again...

Owlman wrote:Actually, most of the time until this year, it's been a charge. That's why they changed the rule.

not at the end of a game with a few seconds left. You know its not.