The Goat Pen

NASCAR will end its policy of providing estimated attendance figures in its race reports this season.

Spokesman Kerry Tharp said tracks still will have the option of providing crowd estimates, but it will be their prerogative.

According to NASCAR estimates, 3,518,000 million attended last year's 36 Sprint Cup races. The average of 97,722 per event was the lowest since NASCAR began adding the crowd figures to race reports



Sustainable!!lll

hedge wrote:Not that I am trying to seriously address any idea espoused by IB, but how would you ever take the vote away from women? If it came to a vote, they outnumber us, and I'm sure that the vast majority of men would be against it, too. So how would you propose to accomplish this feat, IB?

Well I don't think it IS possible. Well you know what, let me correct that. It is extremely UNLIKELY that women would willingly capitulate to men and surrender their right to vote. Which brings us back to...

AFT wrote:"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

....because women largely refuse to acknowlege cause-and-effect when voting (women vote with their emotions), this quote from AFT is only exaserbated. But I'm not going to say it is impossible.

Hedge, the reason why I love Ann Coutler so much is that she writes truth to power without allowing her emotions to dictate what is right or wrong. That is a very unique quality in women. That is what makes her so special. And Ann has enough intelligence and cognitive ability to understand why women should NOT be voting (that it would be in women's best interest to save our Republic if they DIDN'T vote.) What she needs is some kind of forum (a television show, a radio program, something, ANYTHING) where she can reach out to millions of women and appeal to them (woman to woman) in a way that might help them understand that women (by thinking only with their emotions) how much they are destroying the country they profess to love so much.

It takes someone who is NOT a politician to get this done (someone who can't be fired by voters by saying something so unpopular even if true.) It would take a very popular author who is also an outstanding communicator to change public opinion in this way. That is (IMHO) the only way it gets done.

hedge wrote:And if you tell me that you know it's impossible, then why do you keep harping about it? If you're going to talk about impossibilities, why not talk about wishing people could fly? I would actually encourage you to go to the top of a tall building and test that one out for yourself...

Well that is a different conversation. You can't begin to fix a problem without first understanding what happened to cause a problem in the first place. (You diagnose the problem then define what it would take to make things right.) And even IF what needs to be done to make things right can't happen (for whatever reason) it is still worth the time to talk about it because at least you can recognize the problem and have a conversation. I'll close with an example:

https://leticiamary.wordpress.com/2013/ ... -now-what/

SSM wrote:What is the answer to the unrestrained hypergamy that has led to the epidemic of bastardy, frivorce...

frivorse = frivoless-divorce, almost always initiated by women thank's to no-fault-divorce laws (probably happened to Jungle Rat)

SSM wrote:...and general societal breakdown?

Easy, said my three-months-ago self. Just return to a patriarchal social structure, and all will be well again! Women will wear those cute 1950s dresses with aprons, make pot roasts, and have lots of babies. Men will kiss their wives good-bye in the morning before heading out the door for their nice, secure 9 to 5 jobs where they earn enough money to feed and shelter their families. Ladies will gossip over the fence while hanging diapers out on the laundry line. No sluttery, no divorce, no baby mamas, just happy children and smiling parents. The sun will always be shining, the birds will always be singing, and a soft golden glow will suffuse the entire nation.

I no longer think a patriarchal reset is coming, even if women were to say pretty please with sugar on top. Four reasons:

1. The economy is no longer arranged to allow it.

2. There is no threat of violence.

3. There is no threat of destitution.

4. Men will not want to put that yoke back on even if it is offered to them.

Sunshire Mary has identified the problem and what it takes to fix the problem. But she also lists the 4 reasons why her fix wont happen. She does that so that people can sit talk and ask "what now?"

Toemeesleather wrote:NASCAR will end its policy of providing estimated attendance figures in its race reports this season.

Spokesman Kerry Tharp said tracks still will have the option of providing crowd estimates, but it will be their prerogative.

According to NASCAR estimates, 3,518,000 million attended last year's 36 Sprint Cup races. The average of 97,722 per event was the lowest since NASCAR began adding the crowd figures to race reports



Sustainable!!lll

meanwhile..

HDTV Market to Surge More Than 10% in 2013 to over $14.2 Billion - iReach NewsWire

Efing oprama has sold out NASCAR (and the NFL and MLB) to the socialist evil of high definition television!!!!!111111!!!

bluetick wrote:

numbers 2 through 6 (for anti-suffragists reasons) might still apply

numbers 2 & 3 are the best reasons, sadly only 50% of women over the age of 18 are married today (probably because of women's suffrage)

Soooo, hi-def TV and North Dakota got all the good stimulus megamillions.......what a plan.


Can the Nobel for economics be far behind?

Also, oprama is responsible for the watered-down Chase, the slew of boring races, and the fact there ain't no more Dales, Cales, and King Richard.

U.S. Auto Sales Post Big Gains in May - latimes

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/l ... 6300.story

NOOOOOoooOOOO!!!!1111!!!!

Obamau Akbar.

"What she needs is some kind of forum (a television show, a radio program, something, ANYTHING) where she can reach out to millions of women and appeal to them (woman to woman)"

Wait, are you telling me Ann Coulter is a woman??

Ann Coulter is samrt. And never been married. Probably isn't into guys.

Here's the real reason IB wants to abolish women voting:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/b ... zXaxdWNAkO

If women can't appreciate the greatness of Romney, then don't let 'em vote!

bluetick wrote:U.S. Auto Sales Post Big Gains in May - latimes

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/l ... 6300.story

NOOOOOoooOOOO!!!!1111!!!!

If the economy is doing so great then why is there still QE?

Alot of us are lamenting as well...

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/20/chel ... arenthood/

lol

Chelsea is not very samrt.

If the economy is doing so great then why is there still QE?

Answer: to enrich Wall Street, in hopes that would improve the broader economy, stimulate hiring, and reduce unemployment. QE did accomplish the first objective, but failed in the rest. It's probably coming to an end soon, which is why the Dow has been falling.

sardis wrote:

bluetick wrote:U.S. Auto Sales Post Big Gains in May - latimes

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/l ... 6300.story

NOOOOOoooOOOO!!!!1111!!!!

If the economy is doing so great then why is there still QE?

I think the plan was to ditch QE once unemployment got down to 6 1/2. Now they're saying 7.0.

Meanwhile Corporate USA continues to produce more stuff with less American workers...it sure doesn't appear as though they are going to "qe" back to pre-recession workforce levels.

I don't think we will ever get down to 6%. Not because the economy isn't doing well, but because there will always be that amount of the workforce who are lagging behind the more rapidly changing skills needed even at the blue collar level.