The Goat Pen

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Toe's chart demonstrates that the recession began under Bush and ended under Obama. He hopes this will encourage people to vote Republican?

On Friday, the United States Department of Agriculture quietly released new statistics related to the food stamps program, officially known as SNAP (the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program). The numbers reveal, in 2012, the food stamps program was the biggest it's ever been, with an average of 46,609,072 people on the program every month of last year.

Damn, Obozo can't buy a break, even the population expanded during his term....his luck is worse than the Tennessee athletic dept.
You'd think a nobel prize winner who lowered the oceans could catch a break.

BOJ, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that your car is essentially an extension of your house..on 4 tires (perhaps your primary home is mobile, in which case an aesthetic comparison could be made).

Otherwise you would do well to read up on TN Code Sec. 66-28-518 Towing of Unauthorized Vehicles and discover how little sanctity your engined "home" enjoys. I for one would love to hear your impassioned private prop'ity argument with any of a half dozen local tow truck operators. LMAO

(AP, 10/12/2012) - U.S. Mortality Rate: Deaths Surpass 2.5 Million For The First Time, Reflects Nation's Growing and Aging Population

oprama!

Georgia Tech Drops Close One to BC,

NIT hopes fade

sardis wrote:Krugman says we would have 2 million more jobs if we didn't have austerity. When has there been any austerity in US before March 1?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... erity.html

I seldom get to watch the Sunday morning talk shows, but this week I did. On "This Week" was the smartest commentator in the world - George Will (Peace be upon him) sitting right next to the dumbest commentator in the world - Paul Krugman.

It was reminiscent of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis.

Did you see Bob Ney on msnbc?

bluetick wrote:BOJ, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that your car is essentially an extension of your house..on 4 tires (perhaps your primary home is mobile, in which case an aesthetic comparison could be made).

Otherwise you would do well to read up on TN Code Sec. 66-28-518 Towing of Unauthorized Vehicles and discover how little sanctity your engined "home" enjoys. I for one would love to hear your impassioned private prop'ity argument with any of a half dozen local tow truck operators. LMAO

Tic, it is private property. That has long been held. Nobody says the landowner doesn't have the right to tell you to get your property off his property. That never was the arguement, of course you knew that, knew you lost and then changed the subject.

The arguement is does the landowner have the right to tell you what you can have inside your private property. The answer is a resounding NO, it is as I stated before the guns in trunks bill just reinforces that long held premise and it upholds the private property rights of both the car owner and the land owner. Nothing more, nothing less.

Glad you are coming around though, bout time.

Wrong.

Jungle Rat wrote:Did you see Bob Ney on msnbc?

How is ol' Bob these days?

He's doing fantastically well.

Big Orange Junky wrote:
The arguement is does the landowner have the right to tell you what you can have inside your private property. The answer is a resounding NO, it is as I stated before the guns in trunks bill just reinforces that long held premise and it upholds the private property rights of both the car owner and the land owner. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are a fucking lunatic. Read the bill. It merely says a HCP holder doesn't face criminal penalties and the fine for having a registered weapon stored in the car. THAT IS ALL. Penalties remain for the vast majority of Tennesseans who don't have a HCP.
And HCP holders can still be terminated by their employer who demands a gun-free workplace...the NRA wanted that immunity amendment and did not get it. So there is a resounding YES - landowners CAN tell you what you can't have inside your car on said landowners property.

Read it. http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB0142.pdf

Maybe BOJ should drive up to the governor's mansion with his car loaded with guns and test his theory...

DO IT BOJ!!!!!!

Jungle Rat wrote:He's doing fantastically well.

That's good. I'm glad to hear it. If he was struggling, he should move to Illinois. There are whole subdivisions full of ex-con politicians.

Naw. He's fine. His book already is in its 2nd printing. He's gonna make a hell of a comeback.

bluetick wrote:

Big Orange Junky wrote:
The arguement is does the landowner have the right to tell you what you can have inside your private property. The answer is a resounding NO, it is as I stated before the guns in trunks bill just reinforces that long held premise and it upholds the private property rights of both the car owner and the land owner. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are a fucking lunatic. Read the bill. It merely says a HCP holder doesn't face criminal penalties and the fine for having a registered weapon stored in the car. THAT IS ALL. Penalties remain for the vast majority of Tennesseans who don't have a HCP.
And HCP holders can still be terminated by their employer who demands a gun-free workplace...the NRA wanted that immunity amendment and did not get it. So there is a resounding YES - landowners CAN tell you what you can't have inside your car on said landowners property.

Read it. http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB0142.pdf

Again you are flat out wrong period.

He can't tell you what you can and can't have in your car because the car is PRIVATE PROPERTY. He doesnt' have to let you park there, but what is in your car is YOUR BUSINESS.

Don't believe it just go try and search cars in your parking lot. I'll give you a hint, you will be in JAIL. You can't search the car without the owners PERMISSION.

The private property rights of both are protected and you just can't stand it. You will find nobody more pro private property than me, hell I refused to move to an area with any kind of homeowners association because what I do on my property is my business. By the same token, if you pull up on my property I can tell you to leave, but I can't tell you what you can and can't have in your car and I can't search your car just because it is on my property. Why? Because it is PRIVATE PROPERTY and it is YOUR BUSINESS not mine even though you car is on my property. I mean the Supreme Court says this, Tennessee law says this, it has been this way for years, the corprate Mountain States Health Alliance couldn't violate this long held premise and keep people from smoking in their vehicles on their property but somehow Tick doesn't understand this.

That's all the bill does, it says you can't keep someone from having a gun in their car, but if they find out about it and it's against company policy you can be fired for violating company policy. It's pretty simple. They have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER YOUR CAR PERIOD. THEY CAN'T SEARCH IT, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO IT. They can make any company policy they want, but they can't keep you from from carrying your gun in the car. They can fire you for violating company policy, but they can't look for the gun because they can't search your PRIVATE PROPERTY. Many companies wanted to use the TAC against permit holders and the law just nipped it in the bud by making sure everybody understood that the property owner has no say over the vehicle and it's contents and the TAC (which allows business owners to determine if their facility allows guns or nog) does not extend to the private propert of the car owner.

I can't believe you are so dense you can't see the distinction so I just think you don't want to.

PS there are NO PENALTIES for ANYBODY, Permit holders or not, for having a gun stored in your car as long as it is stored properly. You don't need a permit to carry a gun in Tennessee, you need a permit to carry a LOADED gun but without a permit as long as the gun and the ammo are in different parts of the vehicle and the weapon isn't loaded there is NO PENALTY WHAT SO EVER. I'm guessing you don't hunt much or you would know this.

BOJ speaks his mind

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Big Orange Junky wrote:

bluetick wrote:

Big Orange Junky wrote:
The arguement is does the landowner have the right to tell you what you can have inside your private property. The answer is a resounding NO, it is as I stated before the guns in trunks bill just reinforces that long held premise and it upholds the private property rights of both the car owner and the land owner. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are a fucking lunatic. Read the bill. It merely says a HCP holder doesn't face criminal penalties and the fine for having a registered weapon stored in the car. THAT IS ALL. Penalties remain for the vast majority of Tennesseans who don't have a HCP.
And HCP holders can still be terminated by their employer who demands a gun-free workplace...the NRA wanted that immunity amendment and did not get it. So there is a resounding YES - landowners CAN tell you what you can't have inside your car on said landowners property.

Read it. http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB0142.pdf

Again you are flat out wrong period.

He can't tell you what you can and can't have in your car because the car is PRIVATE PROPERTY. He doesnt' have to let you park there, but what is in your car is YOUR BUSINESS.

Don't believe it just go try and search cars in your parking lot. I'll give you a hint, you will be in JAIL. You can't search the car without the owners PERMISSION.

The private property rights of both are protected and you just can't stand it. You will find nobody more pro private property than me, hell I refused to move to an area with any kind of homeowners association because what I do on my property is my business. By the same token, if you pull up on my property I can tell you to leave, but I can't tell you what you can and can't have in your car and I can't search your car just because it is on my property. Why? Because it is PRIVATE PROPERTY and it is YOUR BUSINESS not mine even though you car is on my property. I mean the Supreme Court says this, Tennessee law says this, it has been this way for years, the corprate Mountain States Health Alliance couldn't violate this long held premise and keep people from smoking in their vehicles on their property but somehow Tick doesn't understand this.

That's all the bill does, it says you can't keep someone from having a gun in their car, but if they find out about it and it's against company policy you can be fired for violating company policy. It's pretty simple. They have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER YOUR CAR PERIOD. THEY CAN'T SEARCH IT, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO IT. They can make any company policy they want, but they can't keep you from from carrying your gun in the car. They can fire you for violating company policy, but they can't look for the gun because they can't search your PRIVATE PROPERTY. Many companies wanted to use the TAC against permit holders and the law just nipped it in the bud by making sure everybody understood that the property owner has no say over the vehicle and it's contents and the TAC (which allows business owners to determine if their facility allows guns or nog) does not extend to the private propert of the car owner.

I can't believe you are so dense you can't see the distinction so I just think you don't want to.

PS there are NO PENALTIES for ANYBODY, Permit holders or not, for having a gun stored in your car as long as it is stored properly. You don't need a permit to carry a gun in Tennessee, you need a permit to carry a LOADED gun but without a permit as long as the gun and the ammo are in different parts of the vehicle and the weapon isn't loaded there is NO PENALTY WHAT SO EVER. I'm guessing you don't hunt much or you would know this.

I told you from the beginning of this nonsense that you were arguing against search and seizure but your dumbass brain couldn't process it. Of course your car can't be searched beyond federal jurisdiction* - that's why the bill is virtually meaningless.
I have parked my car with a gun inside in various places where guns are prohibited with total faith in my secret being kept. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON I PULLED MY FIREARM OUT OR SHOT MY MOUTH OFF ABOUT IT'S EXISTENCE AND IT BECAME KNOWN TO THE LANDOWNER, I KNEW FULL WELL I WOULD FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. I don't face those same consequences if I display a gun on my own soil. Please GOD make it known that you understand the distinction, you mouth-breathing coonass hilljack.