The Goat Pen

Why would there need to be an amendment to give government authority over militias? That makes no sense. The federalists wanted a government army, the anti- federalists were afraid that such an army could oppress the people; therefore, the need to give the right of citizens to bear arms.

No wonder people are rushing out and buying weapons when you have govrnment officials with interpretations like Owlman's to the Bill of Rights. I swear, in their minds, they can argue against any amendment they don't like.

Let me guess, he can probably justify in his mind that the Fairness Doctrine or any restriction on any media doesn't infringe on the first amendment. He can probably also justify taxing religious institutions and making them hire unbelievers in their ministries.

They are not wanting to restrict guns to prevent massacres. Oh, they will exploit the situation to trick the populace into more restrictions, but the real reason is they don't like the the first two amendments. Those amendments get in the way of government control. Since they can't legislatively repeal these amendments they will throw out these interpretations that are so off base, but sound good against the argument of public good, i.e., it makes us safer.

Read what's said Sardis. I never said that the second Amendment gave the govt control over the militias.

The Constitution already made the President the head of the militia. The second amendment didn't make the govt head of the militia, the Constitution had already done that.

AugustWest wrote:Unless you have AWACS, Spy Satellites and F/A-18's, you might as well use sticks and stones.

Tell that to the Taliban/Al Qaeda fighters that have been fighting the worlds two top military powers for over 30 years and not only have not given up, but have expanded their scope and power 20 fold over the period.

Read the rest of my original post - I explained why Mustafa CAN do it, but IB CAN'T. Mustafa has absolutely NOTHING to lose - his life is crappy and death will bring a paradise that is much better than the hell on Earth he lives in now. Joe Gun Club, however, will piss and moan about the gubment while he's buying cammies and survival gear in a 1.3 million square foot, air conditioned shopping mall before he hops in a $45K truck to drive to a $300K house where he can order in a pizza and watch "Doomsday Preppers" on satellite. That dude is NOT getting off his fat ass to fight anyone . . .

bluetick wrote:Foxbusiness Headlines: China to Overtake US Economy in 2030, Chicken Wing Shortage for Super Bowl Week?, Social Security Disability Outlook Bad

ahhh

I don't know, why didn't CNN cover the 40th anniversary of Roe v Wade march for life in DC?

sardis wrote:
I don't know, why didn't CNN cover the 40th anniversary of Roe v Wade march for life in DC?

Prolly too busy covering some LGBT march for death somewhere else. Or giving aid and comfort to the gun grabbers.

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Hey now.

"That dude is NOT getting off his fat ass to fight anyone . . ."

Then why care that he gets a gun.

sardis wrote:"That dude is NOT getting off his fat ass to fight anyone . . ."

Then why care that he gets a gun.

Because his overmedicated/overprivileged kid is going to take that gun and shoot up a school.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 52497.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/us/connec ... index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Ramsey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Andrew_Williams

bluetick wrote:

sardis wrote:
I don't know, why didn't CNN cover the 40th anniversary of Roe v Wade march for life in DC?

Prolly too busy covering some LGBT march for death somewhere else. Or giving aid and comfort to the gun grabbers.

You know, you are right. They have quite the coverage of the 6,000 gun grabbers marching in DC today vs. the 500,000 of march for lifers in DC yesterday.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/gun-co ... ?hpt=hp_t3

" I swear, in their minds, they can argue against any amendment they don't like."

Any constitutional amendment can be argued against. None of it is decreed by God, it was made up by some rich ass white men, many of whom owned slaves, 200+ years ago. If you're such a dependent child that you regard the constitution as the Ten Commandments, as something that cannot be questioned or changed by rational people then you're not fit to comment on it...

Augie. In 72 I was 4.

"Buuhh-buuuh-buuuh But I CAn comment on it because the first amendment GUARANTEES me freedom of speech!! THAT is why I can speak my mind, because the first amendment SAYS I can!! Not because I'm a rational human being, no, but because the first amendment SAYS so!!"

Fucking child...

Not because I'm a rational human being, no, but because the first amendment SAYS so!!"

There are tens of millions of rational human beings all around the world that can't say anything negative about their governments or they will be arrested and sent to prison. They are just as rational and as human as you. But they happen to live a country that does not have anything resembling our first amendment fixed in their laws.

Some of them probably live in countries where they "officially" have the right to free speech, but at some point in their past their "enlightened" and "progressive" and "tolerant" and "pluralistic" and open-minded" leaders decided that free speech is "dangerous" and "irresponsible" and must be redefined deconstructed out of existence. That could happen here. If it does, your rationality and humanity won't protect you.

bluetick wrote:Why is the MSM [still] running with all this good economic news? Dow reaching for new high, hiring is up, new home sales up 20%...

Yes, us rich white guys are doing just fine, as we've always done. Made 13% on my Roth last year and 14% on my conventional....but tell us Tick, where is your compassion for main street? Where are all the investigations on those left behind, not as fortunate as you and I?

"Yes, us rich white guys are doing just fine"

You are neither white nor "doing just fine" by any metric...

Gawd, you're an idiot...try reading something, anything, but especially anything related to natural law, deism, and US history.

I'm a honkey & I'm doing fine.

"try reading something, anything, but especially anything related to natural law, deism, and US history."

I'm sure I've read more about those and every other subject than you have. You're a pip...

Johnette's Daddy wrote:

AugustWest wrote:Unless you have AWACS, Spy Satellites and F/A-18's, you might as well use sticks and stones.

Tell that to the Taliban/Al Qaeda fighters that have been fighting the worlds two top military powers for over 30 years and not only have not given up, but have expanded their scope and power 20 fold over the period.

Read the rest of my original post - I explained why Mustafa CAN do it, but IB CAN'T. Mustafa has absolutely NOTHING to lose - his life is crappy and death will bring a paradise that is much better than the hell on Earth he lives in now. Joe Gun Club, however, will piss and moan about the gubment while he's buying cammies and survival gear in a 1.3 million square foot, air conditioned shopping mall before he hops in a $45K truck to drive to a $300K house where he can order in a pizza and watch "Doomsday Preppers" on satellite. That dude is NOT getting off his fat ass to fight anyone . . .

Maybe, maybe not. That's precicely why we need more than the "single shots" etc because if the gubment becomes so opressive they start jack boot thugging it around no the first few won't stand a chance, but if they have something that can give them enough firepower to last for a few minutes they can make a big enough stink word will get out. First one, then two. Finally people would wake up.

But if you can disarm the populace to the point that none of the jackbooted thugs get injured, and they can just swoop in and do whatever they want whenthey want then there is much less likely to be any stink and no awakening of the general public.

One man won't do anything, ten men won't do anything but a hundred thousand is a different story.