The Goat Pen

Oh, and Bluetick... since you brought up blacks...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/33 ... h-goldberg

I think I was given a great benefit working my way though college when I was younger. In doing so, I had the unique opportunity (not given to most educated people) of actually working among the least educated. As a result, I gained a first-hand knowledge of understanding how the salt-of-the-earth live and how they think. In doing so, I was able to cut through all the bullshit and get right to the heart of the matter (as Don Henley so aptly put.)

You all know I worked in a warehouse while at Northeastern. I was night shift and eventually made my way to the day shift. The majority of the people that I worked with, at least one of the following was a true statement; they had an IQ below 85, they had a felony conviction, they didn't have a high school diploma, they used drugs recreationally, they suffered from alcoholism, or they had some combination of some/all of those. I (and a few others) were the outliers who didn't fit in those categories. Still, after working with them for several years, I eventually stopped being seen by them as the college kid and eventually won their respect (so much so that one of them brought in pictures of his young adult daughters in an effort for me to call them and ask for a date, socially.)

I had one co-worker in particular that I would like to mention with regards to this issue on blacks (and Jonah Goldberg's comments on that horrible essay at The Atlantic.) He was a Vietnam Veteran, very liberal, very atheist, line-voting Democrat. He was a good friend of mine, I could talk to him about pretty much anything. As someone who was a full generation older than I was, I gave him a great deal of respect. And I made the terrible mistake of believing that I actually knew him very well. How wrong I was! That was when I was given the biggest reality dope slap about liberalism that I had ever gotten. I'll cut to the chase. Here it is today, the 40th annaversary of Roe-vs-Wade. This liberal, atheist, Vietnam Veteran, this friend of mine asked me point blank, how could I be against abortion? How could someone as bright as I was be against something that he (in his liberal mind) saw as something that is absolutely critical for a civilized society? I said to him that I saw abortion as the murder of unborn human beings, the most horrible thing humanity could do itself, a ghastly enterprise wrought with evil. His response (and I quote)? "But what if some nigger-monkey raped my little sister and got her pregnant with some half-nigger-monkey, then wouldn't I want her to have the legal right to abort it?"

Anger. I was filled with anger at that question, but I was not angry with this Vietnam Vet. Oh no. I was angry with myself for believing that I knew him well, believing that I knew him as a wisdom-filled-man worthy of my respect and admiration. He most certainly was not.

But he did do me a great service. With that one question, that one all important question and the way he phrased it, it cleared up something that I kinda always believed but couldn't quite describe exactly, my belief that if you scratched a liberal you would find a bigot. And thus you have my foundation for understanding liberalism and the Democratic Party.

puterbac wrote:

Owlman wrote:

You have to have a class III permit to possess any automatic weapons. This involves a lot of money, time, and significant background checks by ATF/FBI including being fingerprinted etc.

Wouldn't you need universal background checks and/or banning private sales to make this true?

Excuse me...to legally possess. People that take the time and effort to submit to CC permit requirements have extremely low rates of committing gun crimes. Even lower with class III permit holders. Despite the media disinformation campaign that tries to intimate that every gun out there is an automatic weapon I can only think of one instance where full auto weapons were used and that was the LA bank robbery in 1997. And in in that case only the two criminals were killed despite them firing over a thousand rounds. I'm sure there are a few more over 30 years or so, but I can't think of any and those are almost assuredly from illegally possessed weapons in the first place.

Gangbangers aren't dumb. They know the penalty for even having an automatic weapon is very harsh compared to a semi-auto so they don't use them, plus they cost significantly more than the semi-auto model.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0020.htm

SUMMARY

. . . 1. requires all machine guns, except antique firearms, not in the U.S. government's possession to be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF); . . .

Published: Feb. 15, 2008 at 12:53 AM -- WASHINGTON, Feb. 15 (UPI) -- Three Republican U.S. senators are blocking confirmation of President George W. Bush's nominee to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/02/15/ ... z2Ikin93hj

Monday, September 12, 2011 Senate Republicans Continue to Block ATF Director Nominee -- Since ATF was separated from the Department of the Treasury eight years ago, it has had only acting directors because two presidential administrations have been unable to get their nominees confirmed. The barrier since 2003 has been Senate Republicans, whom Democrats accuse of catering to the desires of the gun lobby and its steadfast hatred for ATF. http://www.allgov.com/news/appointments ... ews=843263

Jan-17-2013 President Obama on Wednesday announced a series of executive actions and proposed legislation designed to take the first steps toward comprehensive gun control, and announced that he will name the first permanent director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in more than six years.

The GOP will have to stop knee-capping the BATF for your point to be credible.

Jan-17-2013 President Obama on Wednesday announced a series of executive actions and proposed legislation designed to take the first steps toward comprehensive gun control, and announced that he will name the first permanent director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in more than six years.

Jones is a good choice. Hopefully he'll make up for the embarrassment Boehner has caused us Cincy folk.

It's odd to hear you say the republican push for moderate voters has failed every single time. Maybe you were referring to the last couple of presidential elections only.

I am referring to Romney, McCain, Bush Sr., and Dole. All moderate losers.

Nixon and Ford's conservative credentials were certainly dubious. Nixon enacted price controls and created OSHA and the EPA, for example.

innocentbystander wrote:

sardis wrote:

innocentbystander wrote:That is because he wasn't conservative. Goldwater supported a woman's right to murder her unborn child. There is nothing conservative about that.

Abortion wasn't even a political issue in 1964. Goldwater didn't stake a position on it until 1980's.

Abortion has always been a political issue. What has changed is the public's outlook on how that affects everything that touches our society (now to the tune of 60,000,000 unborn dead.) In the 1950s it was very hush-hush and performed behind the scenes with filthy doctors who lost their board certifications (for whatever reason.) Today, it is a very lucrative, multi-billion dollar industry.

Goldwater lost because of three things, #1) JFK had just been murdered a year earlier and the country still mourning that nice young man thought that LBJ believed in everything JFK did, #2) Goldwater publically said he wanted to drop the Atom Bomb on the North Vietnamese, and #3) Goldwater was pro-abortion. In 1964, there was NO CONFLICT AT ALL with Roman Catholics on voting Democrat! Goldwater was a Republican who believed in abortion, he was the Devil incarnate, vote LBJ or go to Hell.

Abortion was not a national election issue until after Roe V. Wade.

Catholics? Seriously? Obama is pro-choice, overturned don't ask don't tell, and forced Catholic organizations to pay for their employees' abortions; and STILL most of those papists voted for Obama. The President can drop his pants and shit in the pope's face and they still will vote for him. Catholicism is a weak excuse for a religion. About as meaningful as Freemasons.

60,000,000 unborn dead would make for a great zombie movie.

How many zombie abortions would it take to take down AA and a baseball bat.

The answer is: manual transmission.

MLK's father was a Republican. In 1960, although privately admitted that he voted for Kennedy and that in the past he had always voted Democratic, he officially did not believe as leader of the movement that he should officially endorse either party. Because his father was a Republican, many assume that MLK was also a Republican.

Wrong again IB.

Catholicism is a weak excuse for a religion. About as meaningful as Freemasons.

Bob Jones and Ian Paisley would be proud of you.

Abortion was not a national election issue until after Roe V. Wade.

This was pointed out to IB before sardis, but he just ignored the facts. Goldwater did not express an opinion on elective terminations until well-after Roe v. Wade. He was against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and received most of the support of Southern states, recently new for the Republicans. But he lost most of the rest of the states (not conservative). The idea that people would vote against Goldwater because of a stance that no one would know about for another 20 or so years is just an IB type of reasoning.

When will you people learn?

Prof and IB need a firm theology lesson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvH0p4iN ... ata_player

"So you are forced to try and discredit me."

You yourself have obviated the need for anyone to discredit you...

"The President can drop his pants and shit in the pope's face and they still will vote for him."

He did that same thing to the people who didn't vote for him, too. Like you. How's Obama's ass taste?

Toemeesleather wrote:Of course we could never, ever go too far regulating guns....




A 5-year-old girl was suspended from school earlier this week after she made what the school called a “terrorist threat.”

Her weapon of choice? A small, Hello Kitty automatic bubble blower.

The kindergartner, who attends Mount Carmel Area Elementary School in Pennsylvania, caught administrators’ attention after suggesting she and a classmate should shoot each other with bubbles.

“I think people know how harmless a bubble is. It doesn’t hurt,” said Robin Ficker, an attorney for the girl’s family. According to Ficker, the girl, whose identity has not been released, didn’t even have the bubble gun toy with her at school.

The kindergartner was ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation during her 10-day suspension, which was later reduced to two days. The evaluation deemed the girl normal and not a threat to others, Ficker said.

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Looks like the gestapo got in contact w/Phil....apologizes for being rich.



California golfer Phil "Lefty" Mickelson says he will no longer publicly criticize the government for taking most of his paycheck. That's a shame. But even if it's now socially unacceptable for high achievers to suggest they should keep the fruits of their labor, that doesn't mean they will keep supplying that labor.

After a brilliant round Sunday at a tournament in La Quinta, California, Mr. Mickelson hinted that new tax burdens might drive him out of the state, out of professional golf, and perhaps even out of the country. "There are going to be some drastic changes for me because I happen to be in that zone that has been targeted both federally and by the state, and it doesn't work for me right now," he said. "So I'm going to have to make some changes."


Assistant editorial page editor James Freeman on pro golfer Phil Mickelson's walking back his comments about California and federal tax hikes. Photos: Associated Press

The fan favorite who has won 40 events on the PGA tour described various state and federal levies and concluded that his tax rate now exceeds 60%. The sticker shock is understandable, now that President Obama has succeeded in raising the top income-tax rate this year to 39.6% from 35% and the top Medicare rate almost a full point to 3.8%. Meanwhile, Governor Jerry Brown persuaded Californians last fall to raise the top state income tax rate to 13.3%.

Mr. Mickelson was beginning to spark a useful conversation about the way that confiscatory tax rates discourage productive effort. But the critics began to emerge on various websites, and, alas, on Monday night the golfer took a rhetorical mulligan. "Finances and taxes are a personal matter, and I should not have made my opinions on them public," Mr. Mickelson said in a statement. "I apologize to those I have upset or insulted, and assure you I intend to not let it happen again."

Too bad Lefty will no longer help educate the lefties on the incentive effects of marginal tax rates. But he can still vote with his Gulfstream and take his tour winnings and his endorsement income to a more friendly locale, such as Florida, Nevada or Texas. All three still have no state income tax, which may be one reason Tiger Woods and so many other golfers (including many Europeans) also live in Florida. Expect a continued migration.

Phil Mickelson = Latrell Sprewell

innocentbystander wrote:Oh, and Bluetick... since you brought up blacks...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/33 ... h-goldberg

I think I was given a great benefit working my way though college when I was younger. In doing so, I had the unique opportunity (not given to most educated people) of actually working among the least educated. As a result, I gained a first-hand knowledge of understanding how the salt-of-the-earth live and how they think. In doing so, I was able to cut through all the bullshit and get right to the heart of the matter (as Don Henley so aptly put.)

You all know I worked in a warehouse while at Northeastern. I was night shift and eventually made my way to the day shift. The majority of the people that I worked with, at least one of the following was a true statement; they had an IQ below 85, they had a felony conviction, they didn't have a high school diploma, they used drugs recreationally, they suffered from alcoholism, or they had some combination of some/all of those. I (and a few others) were the outliers who didn't fit in those categories. Still, after working with them for several years, I eventually stopped being seen by them as the college kid and eventually won their respect (so much so that one of them brought in pictures of his young adult daughters in an effort for me to call them and ask for a date, socially.)

I had one co-worker in particular that I would like to mention with regards to this issue on blacks (and Jonah Goldberg's comments on that horrible essay at The Atlantic.) He was a Vietnam Veteran, very liberal, very atheist, line-voting Democrat. He was a good friend of mine, I could talk to him about pretty much anything. As someone who was a full generation older than I was, I gave him a great deal of respect. And I made the terrible mistake of believing that I actually knew him very well. How wrong I was! That was when I was given the biggest reality dope slap about liberalism that I had ever gotten. I'll cut to the chase. Here it is today, the 40th annaversary of Roe-vs-Wade. This liberal, atheist, Vietnam Veteran, this friend of mine asked me point blank, how could I be against abortion? How could someone as bright as I was be against something that he (in his liberal mind) saw as something that is absolutely critical for a civilized society? I said to him that I saw abortion as the murder of unborn human beings, the most horrible thing humanity could do itself, a ghastly enterprise wrought with evil. His response (and I quote)? "But what if some nigger-monkey raped my little sister and got her pregnant with some half-nigger-monkey, then wouldn't I want her to have the legal right to abort it?"

Anger. I was filled with anger at that question, but I was not angry with this Vietnam Vet. Oh no. I was angry with myself for believing that I knew him well, believing that I knew him as a wisdom-filled-man worthy of my respect and admiration. He most certainly was not.

But he did do me a great service. With that one question, that one all important question and the way he phrased it, it cleared up something that I kinda always believed but couldn't quite describe exactly, my belief that if you scratched a liberal you would find a bigot. And thus you have my foundation for understanding liberalism and the Democratic Party.

This didn't happen.