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Post by innocentbystander » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:52 pm

hedge wrote:"Learn to g-o-o-g-l-e."

That says a lot about our respective understandings of Heart of Darkness. Mine comes from actually reading the book multiple times, while yours comes from reading an excerpt from a borderline hilarious (b/c so far off base) comparison paper that some fool wrote for a college class, an appropriately (for you) bite sized morsel small enough for you to digest in one sitting...

"Imperialism in both works shows the blinding of its oppressors and the arrogance to the truth of colonization."

Ignoring for the moment that this sentence is almost meaningless garble, the point that it is so lamely and fucked up-edly attempting to make is just outright wrong. The whole point of HoD is its unflinching look at imperialism, not its blindness to imperialism. And yet your entire understanding (or rather misunderstanding) is based completely on this idiocy, which actually and ironically makes you feel even more clever b/c you googled it, when in reality it makes you an even bigger idiot than you already were (which I would've hardly believed possible) before you googled it...

"Marlow's mission is to rescue Kurtz from up the Congo at the inner station"

That is not Marlow's "mission" at all, a simple plot point that even the simplest of simpletons (such as yourself) would immediately understand if you had read the book. But no, you'd rather google some retarded secondary source and then pat yourself on the back and really think you know something when all you've done is armed yourself with ignorance which you really believe is knowledge and understanding, just like you do on every other subject I've ever heard you opine on. So no, it wasn't just a brain fart when you referred to Kurtz as Klink (the fact that your entire intellectual life could fairly be described as a brain fart notwithstanding), it was perfectly apropos, esp. considering the fact that you are virtually a living version of the bumbling, inept cartoon character of Col. Klink yourself...
Hedge,

If you don't like that comparison, pick any of the many others all over the interwebs.

My point (a point you already know) is that Apocolypse Now was based (in part) of the book, Heart of Darkness. I don't give a fuck if you agree or disagree with the points made in the link I sent you. I am not sure I even agree with them. But my point still stands. Go fuck yourself.
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Post by hedge » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:42 pm

When was the point ever that the movie drew a large amount of inspiration from the book? I didn't need google for that, I realized it 30 years ago as I watched the movie for the first time. The point is you are a bottom-feeding troglodyte who is constitutionally incapable of understanding, much less appreciating, literature or art of any kind. Hogan's Heroes is the upper limit of your intellectual range (such as it is) and I'm sure plenty of the jokes even on that show go over your head. You're not even Klink, you're Sgt. Schultz...
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Post by Toemeesleather » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:22 am

For sheer political farce, not much can compete with ObamaCare's passage, which included slipping the bill through the Senate before dawn three Christmas eves ago. But the madcap dash to get ready for the entitlement's October 2013 start-up date is a pretty close second.

The size and complexity of the Affordable Care Act meant that its implementation was never going to easy. But behind the scenes, even states that support or might support the Affordable Care Act are frustrated about the Health and Human Services Department's special combination of rigidity and ineptitude.

To take one example, for the better part of a year states and groups like the bipartisan National Governors Association and the National Association of Medicaid Directors have been begging HHS merely for information about how they're required to make ObamaCare work in practice. There was radio silence from Washington, with time running out. Louisiana and other states even took to filing Freedom of Information Act requests, which are still pending.


Now post-election, new regulations are pouring out from HHS—more than 13,000 pages so far and yet nuts-and-bolts questions are still unanswered. Most of what we know so far comes from a 17-page question-and-answer document that HHS divulged this week, though none of the answers have the force of law and HHS says they're subject to change at any moment.

HHS is generally issuing rules with only 30 days for public comment when the standard is 60 days and for complex regulations 90 days and more. But the larger problem is that HHS's Federal Register filings reveal many of the rules were approved in-house and ready to go as early as May. Why the delay?

To take another example, the feds are building a data hub to determine who is eligible for Medicaid and ObamaCare's "exchanges," the bureaucracies that will dispense insurance subsidies and police the market. Many states have cut administrative costs by combining the application process for Medicaid, food stamps, cash assistance and other antipoverty programs, but HHS's privacy rules say the hub can only be used for ObamaCare. So HHS will force states to become less efficient and flatly refuses to reconsider.

In a word, HHS is treating the states not as the partners it needs to give ObamaCare any chance of success, but as serfs.

HHS did finally if "conditionally" approve the exchange blueprints of six states this week, though it has yet to release any formal objective standards for conditional approval. Some 24 states are refusing to participate, so the agency will be running a federal fallback exchange that it won't reveal how it will operate.

A federal exchange is a vast undertaking. The clearinghouses will be open to the uninsured but also to small businesses and people who already buy plans on the individual market. On average about a quarter of a state's population are expected to at least browse the exchange options, and the share will be far higher in states with large numbers of uninsured people under 65, like New Mexico (24%), Georgia (22%) and Texas (27%).

If 20% of Americans use exchanges, that's 62 million people. At a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Thursday, ObamaCare point man Gary Cohen all but took the Fifth on how he'll deal with this and other challenges.

The exchange naysayers now notably include Chris Christie of New Jersey and Bill Haslam of Tennessee. Sure, they're Republicans, but both Governors flirted with the idea and wanted to participate if it would result in a saner and more rational marketplace. The costs and risks were too high.

HHS also declared this week that states can decide either to expand Medicaid (after the Supreme Court decision made it optional), or not. But states are not allowed to make the partial expansion that many states would have considered. This all-or-nothing political gambit is meant to put the Governors in a bad political spot at home if they don't expand, but the irony is that many of them would participate if HHS gave them more flexibility to manage their own programs and control costs.

Yet HHS has made it almost impossible to qualify for Medicaid waivers. States aren't even allowed to "go green" by using digital instead of paper applications. These "maintenance of effort" rules weren't carved in stone tablets by LBJ. HHS formalized them in a regulation this February.

In other implementation hilarity, no fewer than 18 Democratic Senators and Senators-elect came out last week against ObamaCare's $28 billion tax on medical device sales—and not just the usual penitents from Massachusetts and Minnesota. The list includes Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin and Patty Murray.

"With this year quickly drawing to a close, the medical device industry has receive little guidance about how to comply with the tax—causing significant uncertainty and confusion for businesses," they write about the tax most of them voted for.

The last entitlement to get off the ground was President Bush's Medicare prescription drug benefit. Those rules were tied up with a bow by January 2005, giving business and government nearly a year to prepare—and that was far simpler than re-engineering 17% of the economy. No one knows where the current magical mystery tour is headed, especially not HHS.
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Post by 10ac » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:25 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in- ... _blog.html

A n word using the m word. Will the insensivity ever end?
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Post by Toemeesleather » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:33 pm

Heh, doubt that would make the top 100 of the stupidest things Mr. Johnson has uttered.
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Post by bluetick » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:35 pm

Jobless Claims Fall as Retail Sales Rebound - AP

Forecast: Christmas and New Year's Travel Season Busiest Since 2006, According to AAA - MSNBC

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Post by bluetick » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:11 pm

But then there's this. Unfuckingbelievable.

http://news.msn.com/us/at-least-27-dead ... ary-school
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Post by innocentbystander » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:13 pm

bluetick wrote:But then there's this. Unfuckingbelievable.

http://news.msn.com/us/at-least-27-dead ... ary-school
I was going to post the same link. Disgusting.

The animal killed at least 10 of our kids. 10 families destroyed forever because of one animal.
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Post by 10ac » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:07 pm

18 kids, that motherfucker. Goddamn it! I'm on my way to pick up my kindergarten grandson in a few minutes. Nope wife is going.
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Post by innocentbystander » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:24 pm

(I'm actually crying a little bit in my cube as I type this....)

Lord Almighty,

Please send your angels to be with the familes of the victims who were murdered this day. I pray that Your Holy Spirit be with them not just this day, but for the rest of their lives as they grieve a loss that could never be filling by mortal fulfillment. I also pray that your angels carry those tender innocent souls who have left their mortal bodies to Heaven as quickly as could be allowed. Lord, you give us free will to do as we choose and one of your flock has taken his free will to carry out this unspeakable act, and now for those who are alive, we are left to grieve and mourn. I am asking so much of you Lord but only You can help us in this moment of great need and sorrow.

We ask these things in the name of Your Son and our Lord Christ our Savior, Amen.

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I am absolutely devastated right now :(
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Post by innocentbystander » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:02 pm

Reports are that an entire kindergarten class taught by the killer's mother were killed. 20 kids in all. This is sickening.
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Post by Cletus » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:15 pm

innocentbystander wrote:(I'm actually crying a little bit in my cube as I type this....)

Lord Almighty,

Please send your angels to be with the familes of the victims who were murdered this day. I pray that Your Holy Spirit be with them not just this day, but for the rest of their lives as they grieve a loss that could never be filling by mortal fulfillment. I also pray that your angels carry those tender innocent souls who have left their mortal bodies to Heaven as quickly as could be allowed. Lord, you give us free will to do as we choose and one of your flock has taken his free will to carry out this unspeakable act, and now for those who are alive, we are left to grieve and mourn. I am asking so much of you Lord but only You can help us in this moment of great need and sorrow.

We ask these things in the name of Your Son and our Lord Christ our Savior, Amen.

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I am absolutely devastated right now :(
A better prayer would be something like, "Hey God, why the fuck were you asleep at the switch when this happened, you asshole."

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Post by innocentbystander » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:17 pm

Cletus wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:(I'm actually crying a little bit in my cube as I type this....)

Lord Almighty,

Please send your angels to be with the familes of the victims who were murdered this day. I pray that Your Holy Spirit be with them not just this day, but for the rest of their lives as they grieve a loss that could never be filling by mortal fulfillment. I also pray that your angels carry those tender innocent souls who have left their mortal bodies to Heaven as quickly as could be allowed. Lord, you give us free will to do as we choose and one of your flock has taken his free will to carry out this unspeakable act, and now for those who are alive, we are left to grieve and mourn. I am asking so much of you Lord but only You can help us in this moment of great need and sorrow.

We ask these things in the name of Your Son and our Lord Christ our Savior, Amen.

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I am absolutely devastated right now :(
A better prayer would be something like, "Hey God, why the fuck were you asleep at the switch when this happened, you asshole."
He wasn't asleep at the switch.
I wrote:Lord, you give us free will to do as we choose and one of your flock has taken his free will to carry out this unspeakable act...
He was weeping while He watched it happen.
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Post by Cletus » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:19 pm

People like you are why this nonsense persists. It's depressing.

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Post by hedge » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:32 pm

It's the purple prose (in this case too purple by half) that bugs me, to say nothing of the presumption to know exactly how this god "feels" about anything...

As well as shit like this:

"I pray that Your Holy Spirit be with them not just this day, but for the rest of their lives as they grieve a loss that could never be filling by mortal fulfillment."

What does that even mean? It makes no sense, at least in english...
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Post by innocentbystander » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:45 pm

Cletus wrote:People like you are why this nonsense persists. It's depressing.
I didn't murder those kids. Heavenly father didn't murder those innocent kids. One person did that and I'm not excusing his behavior. God gives us Free Will and that murderous asshole used that Free Will to end lives and ruin familes.

Why are people like me part of the problem? What did I do?
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Post by BigRedMan » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:46 pm

hedge wrote:It's the purple prose (in this case too purple by half) that bugs me, to say nothing of the presumption to know exactly how this god "feels" about anything...

As well as shit like this:

"I pray that Your Holy Spirit be with them not just this day, but for the rest of their lives as they grieve a loss that could never be filling by mortal fulfillment."

What does that even mean? It makes no sense, at least in english...
Give them the strength to survive this because there is nothing in our world as we know it that will fix their grief.

At least, that is what I take from it.
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Post by innocentbystander » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:49 pm

BigRedMan wrote:
hedge wrote:It's the purple prose (in this case too purple by half) that bugs me, to say nothing of the presumption to know exactly how this god "feels" about anything...

As well as shit like this:

"I pray that Your Holy Spirit be with them not just this day, but for the rest of their lives as they grieve a loss that could never be filling by mortal fulfillment."

What does that even mean? It makes no sense, at least in english...
Give them the strength to survive this because there is nothing in our world as we know it that will fix their grief.

At least, that is what I take from it.
Thank you BigRedMan that is exactly what it means. It wasn't that hard. What I was saying is only hard to figure out if your brain has been messed up by the drugs Hedge took.
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Post by Cletus » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:50 pm

innocentbystander wrote:
Cletus wrote:People like you are why this nonsense persists. It's depressing.
I didn't murder those kids. Heavenly father didn't murder those innocent kids. One person did that and I'm not excusing his behavior. God gives us Free Will and that murderous asshole used that Free Will to end lives and ruin familes.

Why are people like me part of the problem? What did I do?
Retards like you allow religion to exist. Its continued existence depresses me.

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