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Then we should tax the fuck out of what they make over there and sell over here. A tax that sucks up 21% of their profits? If they don't like it tell them to enjoy China.

Apple still employs people here...and probably pays some minor tax bill that the government is happy to have. You can't tax/tariff your way past this.

If anything, you should hope and pray the Chinese elevate their standard of living so much that their workers demand better treatment, pay and safety. It will eventually happen. The only problem is that China is roughly in the equivalent of US circa 1895. So, you have to wait a good 80 years for the pendulum to swing back to where it's not as economical to ship jobs there.

The thing is, by that time, it's a significant chance that it'll be a region like North Africa, or something, that has the cheap labor everybody outsources to...

They can have it. We'll just keep the cars.

But if we tax the shit out of their crap they make the choice. If they want to bring those jobs back here I'd sure as hell be willing to talk about some minor tax breaks. Negotiate with the Nerd Union. If you are based in America you should thank those who gave you this gift and keep it where your Grandpa would have.

Commie...

Jungle Rat wrote:Then we should tax the fuck out of what they make over there and sell over here. A tax that sucks up 21% of their profits? If they don't like it tell them to enjoy China.

The Chinese laborers @ Apple are willing to work 60-70 hours a week (for straight pay, no time-and-a-half.) It simply isn't possible for that level of manufacturing/production to exist in our nation, not with the labor laws we have in existance today.

Apple makes everything over there because there is no place in the United States (nowhere at all) where the labor costs or productivity could even come close to what Apple gets in China. You can value-added-tax it (21% for all I care, I don't buy i-Anything) but all you would be doing is pissing off the people who like to buy Apple products. They already pay almost double the cost of comperable Microsoft products, so they would just wind up paying more.

But the jobs aren't coming back here rat. I really wish they would, but they aren't. Taxing them back here won't change existing labor laws and collective bargaining practices that would ever justify the cost of overpriced, uneducated, United States labor. And this uneducated labor, I'm not sure they are educated enough to be able to build iPads even if management trains them and shows them exactly what to do!!!!

Manufacturing is actually making a comeback here in the US, just not manufacturing jobs. As labor becomes less of a part of the process, delivery of product to customer becomes the big cost.The Germans are the best at automation. That's why you see a ton of their plants being set up in the Southeast distribution corridors. Just a few months ago we picked up a Chinese company setting up a solar panel plant here in the area. Again, to be near their customer target.

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"World trade is never going away no matter how many times 29 protesters show up at WTO meetings."

Will you?

I believe in driving others away.

Maybe you should show up at the next WTO meeting and drive world trade away...

I heart world trade.

The quickest way would be for someone over there to Slingbox it. You need to find someone with it though...

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