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n did in 2000 (for 500+ votes.) Not since. And probably never again

You're nuts. Florida has been a swing state ever since. Either you will make up facts to make a point or you are just an idiot. Any bets?

Puerto Ricans are not immigrants

DuH. You do realize that this fact was my point. Therefore, the treatment by Ann Coulter that all Latinos are recent immigrants is a pretty silly way to look at Latinos and thus proving my point that at least that wing of the GOP (and you) have an issue treating them all the same when they aren't.

do you even understand what you write?

Our immigrants have massive government needs and produce very little real wealth. They are financial sinks. They largely avoid the RCC (I found that surprising actually.) They can't pass any meaningful classes at university. They marry less (if at all.) They breed mostly bastards. They live lives of unemployment, drug addiction, welfare, section-8-housing, rampant domestic violence, crime, and alcoholism. As such, they vote Democrat.

You must live in a different country than I do.

Well, a different planet for sure.

IB, do you attend Steven Anderson's church in Tempe?

Wait for it...

Cletus wrote:IB, do you attend Steven Anderson's church in Tempe?

No

aTm wrote:

Our immigrants have massive government needs and produce very little real wealth. They are financial sinks. They largely avoid the RCC (I found that surprising actually.) They can't pass any meaningful classes at university. They marry less (if at all.) They breed mostly bastards. They live lives of unemployment, drug addiction, welfare, section-8-housing, rampant domestic violence, crime, and alcoholism. As such, they vote Democrat.

You must live in a different country than I do.

Well I don't know what country that you live in, but I live in this country.

http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2010/12/ ... 1990-2010/



I think the latest staticstic (I saw) for 2013 was 56% of all hispanic children born in MY country are bastards. That bastardy rate is constantly trending up for them (a lot of acceleration in the last 20 years.)

The white bastardy rate is also rapidly increasing. We are at 30%. 42% of all children born in the United States are born bastards.

That chart says nothing about immigrants IB

Owlman wrote:That chart says nothing about immigrants IB

Okay.

Unfortunately this one is only to 2003 with the 42% figure. So the data is 11 years old.



http://www.cis.org/illegitimate_nation.html

The bastard rate growth is linear. Lets say it's only 55% of all hispanic immigrants (which is about the average for the entire hispanic community, both immigrant and native.) Still... not good owl.

11 years ago, one fifth of ALL bastards born in the United States, were children of immigrants.



That was a 3-fold increase since 1990. Rest assured Owl, these bastards were not the children of Asian immigrants.

Illegal immigrants are from a low of 7 million to a high of 20 million with the 2011 population of hispanics in the US of 52 million. How did you get 57%.

And it gets the original point anyway. Ann Coulter (and apparently you) treat hispanics as though they are all illegal immigrants. You present a chart that has nothing to do with immigrants at all and try to use it as a standard. The GOP will never get a significant number of Latino votes with leaders of the party like Annie.

Owlman wrote:That chart says nothing about immigrants IB

How about this one????



California has got it the worst. 43% of ALL their born bastards, are immigrants. My state of Arizona does not have it that much better.

What I can't believe is that you people are so woefully ignorant of all these easy to find data. It's all out there guys, just google it, you'll find it. The numbers are the numbers. This is the rot and filth we have immigrating into our country, people who largely don't think it is important to be married (first) before they start grunting out kids. As a result, we have an immigrant nation of wealth consumers who depend totally on government services to make them whole because they don't have functioning families.

innocentbystander wrote:

Cletus wrote:IB, do you attend Steven Anderson's church in Tempe?

No

I find that hard to believe.

Owlman wrote:Illegal immigrants are from a low of 7 million to a high of 20 million with the 2011 population of hispanics in the US of 52 million. How did you get 57%.

And it gets the original point anyway. Ann Coulter (and apparently you) treat hispanics as though they are all illegal immigrants. You present a chart that has nothing to do with immigrants at all and try to use it as a standard. The GOP will never get a significant number of Latino votes with leaders of the party like Annie.

Stop moving the fucking goal posts. I didn't talk about legal vs illegal immigrants. I was talking "immigrants." I even took the time to find data just on hispanic immigrants. You want me to google "illegal immigrants" and show you even worse bastardy rate numbers?

You know damn well that I nailed your fucking ass with all my data points. You are wrong. I am right. So is Ann Coulter. Fuck you. Stop being a pussy and acknowledge what I have presented to you instead of being a pretentious douchebag. These people are NOT going to vote GOP. My party is not the party of goodies and freebies. We are the party of the wealth producers Owl. We can not "out-give" the Democrats. So we are not going to "reach out" to people who breed bastards. There is no "reaching" them since the only thing they want me to "reach for" is my wallet. What we need to do is keep them OUT of the country.

Cletus wrote:

innocentbystander wrote:

Cletus wrote:IB, do you attend Steven Anderson's church in Tempe?

No

I find that hard to believe.

I don't care.

innocentbystander wrote:

Owlman wrote:Illegal immigrants are from a low of 7 million to a high of 20 million with the 2011 population of hispanics in the US of 52 million. How did you get 57%.

And it gets the original point anyway. Ann Coulter (and apparently you) treat hispanics as though they are all illegal immigrants. You present a chart that has nothing to do with immigrants at all and try to use it as a standard. The GOP will never get a significant number of Latino votes with leaders of the party like Annie.

Stop moving the fucking goal posts. I didn't talk about legal vs illegal immigrants. I was talking "immigrants." I even took the time to find data just on hispanic immigrants. You want me to google "illegal immigrants" and show you even worse bastardy rate numbers?

You know damn well that I nailed your fucking ass with all my data points. You are wrong. I am right. So is Ann Coulter. Fuck you. Stop being a pussy and acknowledge what I have presented to you instead of being a pretentious douchebag. These people are NOT going to vote GOP. My party is not the party of goodies and freebies. We are the party of the wealth producers Owl. We can not "out-give" the Democrats. So we are not going to "reach out" to people who breed bastards. There is no "reaching" them since the only thing they want me to "reach for" is my wallet. What we need to do is keep them OUT of the country.

you're an idgit. You moved the goalposts. Remember, this conversation spoke about latinos and the problem of the GOP treating them as those they are monolithic. You're the one that equates illegal immigrants the same as Latinos (and by doing that you are proving my point).

Do you at least have a family anecdote to pass on to us about someone who does attend the church?

Owlman wrote:

innocentbystander wrote:Stop moving the fucking goal posts. I didn't talk about legal vs illegal immigrants. I was talking "immigrants." I even took the time to find data just on hispanic immigrants. You want me to google "illegal immigrants" and show you even worse bastardy rate numbers?

You know damn well that I nailed your fucking ass with all my data points. You are wrong. I am right. So is Ann Coulter. Fuck you. Stop being a pussy and acknowledge what I have presented to you instead of being a pretentious douchebag. These people are NOT going to vote GOP. My party is not the party of goodies and freebies. We are the party of the wealth producers Owl. We can not "out-give" the Democrats. So we are not going to "reach out" to people who breed bastards. There is no "reaching" them since the only thing they want me to "reach for" is my wallet. What we need to do is keep them OUT of the country.

you're an idgit. You moved the goalposts. Remember, this conversation spoke about latinos and the problem of the GOP treating them as those they are monolithic. You're the one that equates illegal immigrants the same as Latinos (and by doing that you are proving my point).

Owl, just stop. Stop. The problem the GOP has with latinos IS monolithic (rich vs poor.) Hell even in 2000 with ALL those Cuban Americans in Miami voting GOP, only 2% more of the voting hispanics in Florida went for Bush.

http://www.hispanicvista.com/hvc/Opinio ... schmal.htm

Florida turned out to be the pivotal state in this election, and it was the Latino vote, which may have carried the state for Bush. In the 2000 census, Latinos made up 16.8% of the state population. At the time of the election, 802,000 Latinos were registered to vote, and by the time the voting booths had closed, 678,000 of the Latinos had voted. In Florida, Latinos made up 12.5% of the state electorate.

In Florida, George W. Bush carried the Hispanic vote by 50% to 48%. The Florida Hispanic vote, however, was largely Cuban, and the Cuban community had been voting Republic for the previous two decades. In most elections, Democratic presidential candidates had traditionally received only 13 percent to 15 percent of the Florida Cuban vote.

In 2000, unofficial returns showed that Mr. Gore won the heavily Cuban Miami area by a very slim margin of 39,000 votes. However, in the two heavily Cuban precincts, the 510th and the 555th, Mr. Bush won 79 percent and 89 percent respectively. In the final tally, George W. Bush carried the Florida popular vote by 2,912,790 to 2,912,253. Although the results were contested at first, on December 13, 2000, Gore conceded to George W. Bush.

2%. Two-fucking-percent owl. So (unless you think US-native-hispanics are voting this way across the country) kindly shut the fuck up.

As far as illegals go, I don't care about the ancestory of illegal immigrants. The fact that they are illegal means that they are law breakers and they need to either be deported out of my country or incarcerated. My party (the GOP) is not going to "reach out" to illegal immigrants.

My party (the GOP) is not going to be able to "reach out" to hardly ANY immigrants (hispanic or otherwise) since I have shown the bastardy numbers and they are legion. Immigrants (be they legal or illegal) breed bastards, breed future members of our prison population. You breed a bastard, you are going to want government money to make you "whole." So will your bastard. Government support for your irresponsible behavior, that is best accomplished by electing Democrats. The Democrat Party is the party of the bastard, the party of the law breaker (the illegal immigrant, the felon, the tax cheat, the child molester), the party of welfare, the party of government housing for single moms, the party of no-fault-divorce, the party of alimony and child support, the party of the abortion provider and abortion seeker. Not the GOP.

We are not "reaching out" to these immigrants (be they hispanic or otherwise.) The only immigrants the GOP will be "reaching out" to are the ones who are financial benefit to the our nation as a whole. The only way we can import these immigrants is to change Ted Kennedy's 1965 immigration reform law.

2% may not seem that huge, but Bush actually lost overall by only half a percent. Also it sounds more the the FL Hispanic vote was split, not monolithic.

Here, note what you said?

only 2% more of the voting hispanics in Florida went for Bush.

Meaning the majority of them voted for Bush and it played a role in the vote. It also shows you shouldn't treat Latinos as the same, since they voted very differently from other Latinos (if I remember correctly, Bush II got over 40'% overall of the Latino vote). You keep proving my point, IB. Just stop. Do you even know now what you are arguing anymore?