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Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:22 pm
by eCat
which republican running for the white house would be?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:19 pm
by Jungle Rat
Winning?
none
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:07 pm
by Bklyn
Ho hum. The book, if executed like I expect it to be, should be very good, though.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:04 pm
by Owlman
eCat wrote:
with the potential crop out there right now, probably none. it'll take hard work and a concerted effort. Bush II made good inroads into the latino community. Rubio and Cruz?? not.
which republican running for the white house would be?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:05 pm
by eCat
Owlman wrote:eCat wrote:
with the potential crop out there right now, probably none. it'll take hard work and a concerted effort. Bush II made good inroads into the latino community. Rubio and Cruz?? not.
which republican running for the white house would be?
which is pretty much Rand's point. He's not the only one reaching out to them but he is trying to do it without selling out the the core GOP. Of course I don't agree with him about it - His stance on immigration is my biggest gripe about Rand.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:08 pm
by Owlman
Rand Paul has said he's against the Civil Rights Act, which is the one that says you can't discriminate against race or gender or creed if you are in commerce, meaning hotels and restaurants. That stance puts him below other Republican candidates.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:20 pm
by aTm
Isn't it enough that these assholes are rich? Why do they get to have parties and have fun too?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:24 pm
by hedge
"Article pretty much solidifies my opinion of wall streeters."
I think it sums up their opinion of you even more clearly...
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:37 pm
by sardis
aTm wrote:Isn't it enough that these assholes are rich? Why do they get to have parties and have fun too?
it's not that they are rich and have parties, its that they are in a business where the risk is subsidized by the federal government. Because they are too big to fail they make decisions based on a huge windfall for themselves, not worrying about the possible downside of their decisions because they know they will be bailed out by the federal government. That's not capitalism, that's institutionalism.
I respect the one percenters who have private businesses that have to take personal risk on the decisions they make. They deserve to enjoy the fruits of their labors.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:40 pm
by eCat
Owlman wrote:Rand Paul has said he's against the Civil Rights Act, which is the one that says you can't discriminate against race or gender or creed if you are in commerce, meaning hotels and restaurants. That stance puts him below other Republican candidates.
His views on personal property say if you want to open a restaurant, why does the government have the right to tell you who you can or cannot allow into your business that you own? But he isn't going to push that agenda because he knows its a lose/lose for him.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:41 pm
by Jungle Rat
If your poop is bloody what exactly does that mean? Ulcers?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:41 pm
by eCat
you wiped your ass with cheap toilet paper
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:16 pm
by Owlman
eCat wrote:Owlman wrote:Rand Paul has said he's against the Civil Rights Act, which is the one that says you can't discriminate against race or gender or creed if you are in commerce, meaning hotels and restaurants. That stance puts him below other Republican candidates.
His views on personal property say if you want to open a restaurant, why does the government have the right to tell you who you can or cannot allow into your business that you own? But he isn't going to push that agenda because he knows its a lose/lose for him.
So you support Jim Crow?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:18 pm
by Owlman
The answer by the way is because they are in commerce and the regulation of commerce was specifically given to the federal govt in the Constitution primarily because of the failure of commerce under the Articles of Confederation that was much more strongly state's rights.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:43 pm
by eCat
Owlman wrote:eCat wrote:Owlman wrote:Rand Paul has said he's against the Civil Rights Act, which is the one that says you can't discriminate against race or gender or creed if you are in commerce, meaning hotels and restaurants. That stance puts him below other Republican candidates.
His views on personal property say if you want to open a restaurant, why does the government have the right to tell you who you can or cannot allow into your business that you own? But he isn't going to push that agenda because he knows its a lose/lose for him.
So you support Jim Crow?
oh its more than that. not only do I support the idea that the government isn't going to tell me who I have to allow in, but they shouldn't tell me what I have to do with the property such as zoning.
This goes back to the Goldwater republicanism, not Rand Paul
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:57 pm
by Owlman
And how well did Goldwater do in his run for President?
So much for Rand Paul's assertion that he can appeal to minorities.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:09 pm
by eCat
Owlman wrote:And how well did Goldwater do in his run for President?
So much for Rand Paul's assertion that he can appeal to minorities.
how well will any republican do in their run for president now?
I've backed Ron Paul in 2008 and voted Gary Johnson in 2012. Clearly I don't tie my beliefs to which candidate I think has the best chance to win.
But I doubt the latino voters are all that concerned with Rand Paul's stance on civil rights versus personal property, and are solely concerned about his views on pathway to citizenship.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:46 pm
by Owlman
Like most, Latino's are concerned with a whole lot of issues beyond just one. It's thinking of Latino's as simple or only concerned with one issue that makes it hard for the GOP to make inroads. Bush II received latino votes because he worked very hard to get them. I agree with some of the far-right conservatives in that regard. Simply passing immigration will not get Latinos to vote Republican. The same is true for Asians, who voted for the President in a greater percentage than Latinos.
Of course, it won't matter with Paul. He also voted against the bipartisan Senate immigration bill. But let's look at your assertion.
Ask Latinos, so you support Paul who believes that you can refused service at a hotel just because you are Mexican-American?
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:34 pm
by eCat
Latino's aren't going to vote Republican regardless unless the democrats are against immigration - and that ain't happening.
Re: Florida State Seminoles
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:44 pm
by Owlman
y not? Bush II got 44% of the hispanic vote