Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Jungle Rat]

I'll save you a seat at the bar.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Thanks man.

[Owlman]

One of the problems with (or one of the things most entertaining about) Rat is that you really don't know when he is actually having an argument/conversation with himself through one of his alter-egos.

IS IB RAT?

[THE_WIZARD_]

lucid yet cogent

[BigRedMan]

One of the problems with (or one of the things most entertaining about) Rat is that you really don't know when he is actually having an argument/conversation with himself through one of his alter-egos.

IS IB RAT?

[hedge]

"But I was wrong."

That's the first sensible thing I've ever read from Ann Coulter...

" You seem to be a pretty cool dude...but your schtick sometimes just gets fucking old."

In other words, the only difference b/w you and Rat is that you're not cool at all. Seriously, Wiz's "I'm not a brain dead retard that sucks republican ass at every election, no, I'm an independent!" is the oldest, lamest schtick (read: lie) in these forums. He's a fat failure living in a failure of a state, thinks he's smart b/c he learned some computer code and has slightly more money than the average person (not hard when you live in Oklahoma), so he thinks his "interests" align with truly wealthy people (I'm not even talking about millionaires here, you don't have to be a millionaire to be wealthy compared to Wiz), which makes him a dependable republican voter who is for some odd reason ashamed to admit it, so he claims to be either libertarian or independent. But he's not. He's the most adamant, ball-sucking republican on these boards or anywhere else. Enjoy the next four years, asshole...

[bluetick]

...and although IB is a little out there with his ideology

LOL @ ideology. Ten minutes after Ohio was called he started his rant about women and voting. That's some serious ideology on the fly. Anybody can have a meltdown and say crap to let off steam, but his has become a week-long whiney bitchfest.

sorest loser is NOT a quality of a good man

[innocentbystander]

...and although IB is a little out there with his ideology

LOL @ ideology. Ten minutes after Ohio was called he started his rant about women and voting. That's some serious ideology on the fly. Anybody can have a meltdown and say crap to let off steam, but his has become a week-long whiney bitchfest.

sorest loser is NOT a quality of a good man

I have identified the problem.

I am calmly and lucidly working to change public opinion to correct it.

Repeal the 26th Amendment

End Women's Suffrage

[innocentbystander]

I do Rat. I like you. And I know IB is an extreme dude.

Welll... yeah.

I'm just trying to save civilization. This....







....is our near future. This is a very real example of Western civilization in decline and then horrid, rapid collapse. The fact that this all happened in the actual birthplace of Democracy should make it all the more terrifying. And really, this all just boils down to simple mathematics:

• people are living much longer
• people want to retire younger
• people aren't saving enough for their retirement so they vote in candidates that promise the most entitlement
• people aren't getting married (and those that do, only half stay married)
• those that do get married are having fewer and fewer children
• those that don't marry, some are having too many bastards
• those bastards are filling all the prisons

This is a very simple, very basic recipe for financial ruin and disaster and I expect MORE of men (men who can do basic math.) Women, I don't expect them to care about this because they are primarily focused on entitlement and subsidy, but men need to control the purse strings with their votes. And a week ago, far too many men have devlolved into terminally sincere, limp-wristed, beta-males, who are functionally incapable of doigni what they must to preserve civilization for their posterity.

[hedge]

"I am calmly and lucidly working to change public opinion to correct it."

You are definitely succeeding in changing public opinion. I used to think you were just kinda stupid, but after this week of your calm and lucid work, I think you're a complete moron...

[THE_WIZARD_]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether IB broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female citizens liberties - he did.
But you can't hold a whole conservative movement responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole two-party political system? And if the whole two-party political system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, hedge - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

[innocentbystander]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether IB broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female citizens liberties - he did.
But you can't hold a whole conservative movement responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole two-party political system? And if the whole two-party political system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, hedge - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

I just don't want to be alone right now. Do you think maybe we could go out?

I'll get my coat.

And could you get, three dates for my friends?

[hedge]

IB's real problem (well, one of them) is that in his heart he is a lecherous, immoral fuckstick who would love to take advantage of women if he could get away with it. I'm sure he watches more porn than I do, and that's saying something. I hate whiny motherfuckers like that...

[THE_WIZARD_]

Porn to IB is national Geographic magazine...

[innocentbystander]

IB's real problem (well, one of them) is that in his heart he is a lecherous, immoral fuckstick who would love to take advantage of women if he could get away with it. I'm sure he watches more porn than I do, and that's saying something. I hate whiny motherfuckers like that...

Porn is a big part of the problem right now mostly because its free. I actually have a couple young men in our counseling center who told me that they see no reason to get married because....

...its cheaper (and safer) to just go to work, go home, surf porn all night, and masturbate for their sexual gratification. They aren't hurting anyone nor are they breaking man's law. And they don't have to worry about porn divorcing them taking over half their assets! How am I supposed to top that offering them marriage as an alternative? (I guess I can't.) But this is what happens to Alice as she falls down the rabbit hole and starts peeking through the looking glass. We live in an (increasingly) amoral society and (as a result) the bedrock to our cultural underpinnings is being ripped away and leaving our society very fragile and in jeapordy. Porn (although harmless to most, and in fact helpful to some) is very harmful to society because it gives men an "option" for sexual gratification that society depends on men NOT having (thus forcing them to marry and create stable homes.) Those stable homes are not being created anymore (not like they used to be, thats for damn sure.) And women are looking around and not finding any men to marry! Only 3 black women in 10 (over the age of 18) are married! Taht is a frightening and damning statistic. This is what I am dealing with at our church, young people either having children out of wedlock or remaining unmarried well into their adulthood.

[crashcourse]

people are living much longer
people want to retire younger
people aren't saving enough for their retirement so they vote in candidates that promise the most entitlement
people aren't getting married (and those that do, only half stay married)
those that do get married are having fewer and fewer children
those that don't marry, some are having too many bastards


a lot of truth in those statments.

thats why obamacare with its death panel and the rationing of some care is in someways what this country needs

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE

[aTm]

But this is what happens to Alice as she falls down the rabbit hole and starts peeking through the looking glass.

Which porn video was this? Link?

[hedge]

"thus forcing them to marry"

Oh yeah, forcing people to get married sounds like a great recipe for creating loving, respectful, stable relationships. Just the ticket...

[hedge]

Might as well just follow the indian model of arranged marriages. Because India is so progressive and doing so well as a nation and culture compared to us heathens here in America...

[innocentbystander]

Might as well just follow the indian model of arranged marriages. Because India is so progressive and doing so well as a nation and culture compared to us heathens here in America...

I think India still has Dowries and (the inverse) Bride prices. Yes, real progressive.

But in all seriousness Hedge, the reduction in the amount of "households" being formed where you have a married couple raising children is the main culprit bringing the end to this country. You may not see that from your vantage point, but the damage is present. And what we are losing (by not having these households formed) is Social Capital. And that Social Capital is critical to the upbringing and structure offered for our children and grandchildren.

Women struggling to find husbands is another big problem that is not often discussed. As a father of a daughter, at some point I am going to want her married to a good man. I know that gives her an 'edge' in society, gives her access to much more Social Capital that is not often offered to single women. To NOT be married (especially when so many women want to be) leaves them longing and needing. And one way or another, women WILL be married. What do I mean by that? Women who spend too long not married, wind up marrying government (marrying government = voting Democrat.)