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Verbal contracts are just as valid as signed ones, esp. ones as easily and mutually verifiable as the one into which Coach Price and Bammer so evidently and eagerly entered with each other...

AlabamAlum wrote:Mike never signed a contract and never coached a game. ... he doesn't meet the critical and necessary criteria to be considered a former head coach.

Unions frequently work without a contract. Does that mean they were never employees?

A president-elect doesn't start drawing a paycheck until January 20.

So unless Mr. Price wasn't paid during his short tenure, that analogy doesn't fly.

Would AA be comfortable with calling him the coach-elect of Bammer?

Coach-elect would be fine, if there were such a designation.

Getting a paycheck from UA is not a critical and necessary function. Professors, groundskeepers and any number of others get paychecks. Coaching a game is.

When I had part of my intestine removed, the first doctor I went to did a work-up and scheduled a date, but died in a tragic car wreck before he could perform the necessary function of being considered my surgeon (the surgery, itself). While he did a few functions that surgeons often perform, when asked who my surgeon was, I never mention his name.

Likewise, I hired a landscaper to do some work. He no-showed three times, so I "fired" him- when people ask who my landscaper was, he is never mentioned - except to say, "X was gonna be my landscaper, but didn't make it."

"Coach-elect would be fine"

But that leaves open the possibility that you might one day be talking about him, perhaps chatting with your surgeon while you lay on the table before getting your intestines removed, waiting for the anesthetic to kick in, and right when you are saying "coach-elect", the anesthetic kicks in before you can get out the "elect" part, then you die in surgery and the surgeon tells everyone your last words were about Coach Mike Price. You wouldn't want that, would you?

If someone dies on the operating table, is it fair to say about the surgeon, "That wasn't his surgeon, that was his executioner"?

"Here lies AA. He died with Coach Price's name on his lips." That would actually make for an ironic epitaph, b/c it could be taken to mean that you lied about Mike Price really being the coach of Bammer. But I doubt anyone would get it. So basically your entire life would have been in vain...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Cr ... ng_history

"On December 18, 2002, Alabama announced that Washington State head coach Mike Price would be the next coach for the Crimson Tide program. However, in May 2003, Price was removed from his position as the head coach, following a scandal. Less than a week later, Alabama hired Mike Shula, a former Alabama quarterback and then-quarterbacks coach for the Miami Dolphins."


apparently, AA thinks that 'position' Price got removed from was as a janitor?

apparently, AA thinks that 'position' Price got removed from was as a janitor?

Apparently, Dave is a mouth-breathing, bandwagoning fucktard who cannot read.

(1) I said being tabbed to be our coach, but making it only 3 months in the spring and never coaching a game, does not meet the criteria, in my opinion, to be considered one of the head ball coaches at Alabama.

(2) Without trying to be like Linnaeus, for a person to be classified as a former head coach, he would have had to coach a real, live game. That, in my opinion, is a necessary and critical component. Mammals have to be warm-blooded and head coaches of a school had to have coached at least one game. A cold-blooded animal cannot be a mammal and a person who never coached a game can't be a 'former' head coach.

(3) Do not quote Wikipedia as a source. Ever. I can edit Price's page to say that he was the first drummer for the Rolling Stones if I wanted. That said, on this subject, do not quote or post any magazine, website or periodical as "proof" that my definition is wrong. That pursuit will bear no fruit.

(4) In fact, you can disagree with me. You can say you think anyone tabbed to coach for Bama meets your definition just by being tabbed. I shan't try to dissuade you from your faulty definition and I will not demand that your lexicon mirror mine. To do so would be boorish and a waste of time. Much like the boorish assertions made by the people arguing with me to change my definition to fit theirs are, indeed, wasting time.

The Gray Ghost wrote:A president-elect doesn't start drawing a paycheck until January 20.

So unless Mr. Price wasn't paid during his short tenure, that analogy doesn't fly.

During his brief tenure as coach at at the University of Alabama, I'm sure Mike Price was paid. By the University of Alabama. For services rendered. As Alabama's coach. Like recruiting and hiring assistants and supervising practices. As Alabama's coach. A position for which he was also hired. And fired. By the University of Alabama. As Alabama's coach.

1. Price did not have to recruit. Fran had the class tabbed and under wraps. Yes, he sat by the fax machine as the papers came in, but that was it. Anyone can sit by a fax machine. If I sat by it as papers poured in, would I be the coach?

2. He brought the vast majority of his staff from Wash State, but even if he hadn't, ADs can hire coaches. That doesn't make them head coaches.

3. He did not attend many practices. But there are some coaches who routinely pass the "supervising practice" over to an assistant. Mike Dubose was known for it. That does not make those assistants a head coach

The guy who was going to be my surgeon did some tasks that surgeons do: history and physical, scheduling the OR suite, consultations, and he was paid for services rendered.

But he died before he could do the surgery.

When people ask me who my surgeon was, I never mention the first guy because a critical component of being 'my surgeon' is actually being there on "gameday" and doing my surgery. The first guy never got the chance to be my surgeon.

He did not attend many practices. But there are some coaches who routinely pass the "supervising practice" over to an assistant. Mike Dubose was known for it.

If Price wasn't the head coach, then what gave him the authority to delegate supervising practice to those assistants? And if he was not the coach, then whose assistants were they?

Professor Tiger wrote:

He did not attend many practices. But there are some coaches who routinely pass the "supervising practice" over to an assistant. Mike Dubose was known for it.

If Price wasn't the head coach, then what gave him the authority to delegate supervising practice to those assistants? And if he was not the coach, then whose assistants were they?

In his position as the presumptive head coach, of course.

But along that line, asking someone to oversee a practice makes you a head coach? If Gene Chizik dies in a horrible cow-tipping accident and Jay Jacobs asks Brian VanGorder to oversee practice, would you then consider Jacobs a former head coach as well as VanGorder?

If Jay Jacobs had been hired on tv as Auburn's new head coach and was being paid as Auburn's head coach and was already performing duties as head coach - including delegating practice to HIS assistants - then yes, I would absolutely consider Jacobs as our head coach.

Professor Tiger wrote:If Jay Jacobs had been hired on tv as Auburn's new head coach and was being paid as Auburn's head coach and was already performing duties as head coach - including delegating practice to HIS assistants - then yes, I would absolutely consider Jacobs as our head coach.

And there ya have it.... one more poor example of understanding Engrish.

Are spring games real? In some places they attract over 70k.

Yep, GBJs. Reading is not very fundamental with some.