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Why is it a shame? She choose to go down that path. I support her choice to use drugs, but don't ask me to have a fucking pity party for her when time catches up with her. I don't want people to have that when my actions catch up with me.

There are a hell of a lot more important things to mourn and discuss than that burned out skank.

smeee wrote:

DooKSucks wrote:Why is it a shame? She was a crackhead that died. No offense, Stu and Hedge, but if a person chooses to go down that path, so what if they die? They knew the risks. It's what they choose to do.

don't be obtuse..

it's a shame that folks with such talent are snuffed out by such angst....

Whitney Houston Died of Prescription Drug, Alcohol Combination, TMZ Reports

http://gma.yahoo.com/whitney-houston-di ... -news.html

I wonder if there is backlash now against Bobby Brown?

Looking at some of the various posts on yahoo, yes.

I was talking to mom about that last night. You know there will be--although, I'm not sure people are prepared to deal with the fact that Whitney, by her own admission, had quite a bit of party girl in her well before she met Bobby. Hell, that's why some people felt that she was so down with Bobby in the first place; because he was the type to get down with her on nights and weekends.

Hizzy III wrote:People have demons/insecurities/frailities and sometimes they get so out of control and the person does such a bad job of dealing with it that shit like this happens. Here, though, the person of discussion was such an open book and such a known figure that we see it on full display. We can sit back and opine, either with the full story or with bits and pieces. Makes for interesting discussion either way. Yet, they're fuckers going through this very same thing to the left and right of us everyday--and in complete solitude.

Agree completly. I lost a friend a year ago this week because of booze and we all know my story. Besides about say 50 people knowing, it was solitude. This is part of the price of fame I guess. We all have issues but we all haven't sold 170 million albums, put ourselves out there in a reality show way back when they started, have gazillions and wake up with TMZ in our front yard everyday.

DooKSucks wrote:Why is it a shame? She choose to go down that path. I support her choice to use drugs, but don't ask me to have a fucking pity party for her when time catches up with her. I don't want people to have that when my actions catch up with me.

There are a hell of a lot more important things to mourn and discuss than that burned out skank.

People don't choose addiction DS.

Hizzy III wrote:I was talking to mom about that last night. You know there will be--although, I'm not sure people are prepared to deal with the fact that Whitney, by her own admission, had quite a bit of party girl in her well before she met Bobby. Hell, that's why some people felt that she was so down with Bobby in the first place; because he was the type to get down with her on nights and weekends.

Not to be DS or anything but I once worked on stage security for a Whitney concert at Riverbend in the summer of 86. I also worked Huey Lewis, Ratt, Tom Jones and many others although not always on stage. Sometimes we walked the lawn confiscating joints & booze for the staff after party. I remember 4 things about Whitneys show.

1) She was a diva already by then. I told her good luck when I opened the stage door and her publicist scolded me for talking to her before the show.

2) She kissed some fat chick who I think was her manager at the time a few seconds before and I swear there was tounge.

3) It was a really good show.

4) She was buzzing

Bobby did not create Whitney's problem. He may have slightly enabled it, but with Bobby she was finally able to be herself with someone else. Bobby allowed her not to hide. Maybe that sped up the process, but Bobby was definitely not a match, but more like accelerant, at best.

If Whitney married Randall Cunningham (she dated him for a hot minute) she would have divorced him before Reagan's Iran/Contra funding buddies could give Ricky Ross another re-up shipment of that white, 22 lbs at a time.

EFZ!

this weekend watched the 91 star spangled banner

watched some vh1 video of her in a auditorium singing by herself

she was the best voice from my generation--got goosebumps from her starspangeled banner

mariah carey is the only one with close to her range from my generation

perhaps adele for the next generation

damn shame booze/cigs and snort/pills robbed us of her voice over the last 10 years and now forever

DooKSucks wrote:Why is it a shame? She choose to go down that path. I support her choice to use drugs, but don't ask me to have a fucking pity party for her when time catches up with her. I don't want people to have that when my actions catch up with me.

There are a hell of a lot more important things to mourn and discuss than that burned out skank.

smeee wrote:

DooKSucks wrote:Why is it a shame? She was a crackhead that died. No offense, Stu and Hedge, but if a person chooses to go down that path, so what if they die? They knew the risks. It's what they choose to do.

don't be obtuse..

it's a shame that folks with such talent are snuffed out by such angst....

yet again you're reading your issues into my post....i'll type this slowly for you this time so you can understand, I said it's a shame that talent like that is wasted on the wasted....

crashcourse wrote:this weekend watched the 91 star spangled banner

watched some vh1 video of her in a auditorium singing by herself

she was the best voice from my generation--got goosebumps from her starspangeled banner

mariah carey is the only one with close to her range from my generation

perhaps adele for the next generation

damn shame booze/cigs and snort/pills robbed us of her voice over the last 10 years and now forever

exactly.....her and bobby enabled each other...and he has as many issues as she has.....my thoughts are still and only with her daughter who, at eighteen, was her mother's keeper....

i also think it was a lark for hollywood to sit there so above it all like they really cared.....where were they for the last 15 years while she was scratching around in the dirt...


moving on...

crashcourse wrote:this weekend watched the 91 star spangled banner

watched some vh1 video of her in a auditorium singing by herself

she was the best voice from my generation--got goosebumps from her starspangeled banner

mariah carey is the only one with close to her range from my generation

perhaps adele for the next generation

damn shame booze/cigs and snort/pills robbed us of her voice over the last 10 years and now forever

I can't deny any of that but as far as female voices go, Chaka Khan still has a greater affect on me than most anyone else. She does a lot more jazz now than she does R&B/Pop, so she's definitely matured in her approach and delivery. She probably has the strongest lungs of anyone in the business over the last 40 or so years. Patti LaBelle certainly can holler and has powerful lungs, but she's never used them with as much control as Chaka, IMO.

Whitney was more refined and had more range. I can't argue that. Christine Aguillera is damn good as well. I just think she needs better pure music produces in her corner. Far too many of your typical whiz-bang pop culture specialists who just want to sell a fly-by-night hit.

Then again, you're talking to a snobbish jazzhead, so...

I'm an Etta James guy

Eh. They decided to take the first drink, snort the first line or pop the first pill. In today's society, you know that there is a potential for addiction. Some are more susceptible than others, but she put herself on that path.

Alcoholism runs in my family. I know that. I still drink knowing that though. I also know that I have to watch myself or I could turn into an alcoholic over time like other members of my family.

Again, I think that she should have the right to do what she did. I don't care. I just get sick and tired of people acting like it's a life-altering tragedy for the world when the inevitable happens. There are far more fucked up things in this world that should concern us.

Jungle Rat wrote:

DooKSucks wrote:Why is it a shame? She choose to go down that path. I support her choice to use drugs, but don't ask me to have a fucking pity party for her when time catches up with her. I don't want people to have that when my actions catch up with me.

There are a hell of a lot more important things to mourn and discuss than that burned out skank.

People don't choose addiction DS.

Ok. I can certainly agree with that.

smeee wrote:yet again you're reading your issues into my post....i'll type this slowly for you this time so you can understand, I said it's a shame that talent like that is wasted on the wasted....

*fluffs hair*;p

when Whitney was young, she was as hot as they came.

by the time she left the building, she was a cackling, crackety harpy

yeah I would imagine nobody in the morgue hit that

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