Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[THE_WIZARD_]

Yes I did. As you know the Globetrotters had an all-time record of 1,157-1. My team beat them. I poisoned their food the night before.

[bluetick]

Wow, could have sworn a few million were killed by the Exxon Valdez.....at least according to the MSM.

Wow - coulda sworn the Valdez was back in the 80s. This was a recent scientific study...compiling a yearly avg.

sad effort

[10ac]

Didn"t Mandela put his enemies inside a stack of tires and set them on fire? Or was that his wife?

[10ac]

Mandela wrote a book "How to be a good communist" He is a great admireror of Stalin, a man responsible for the killing of millions of his own people.

Here is a few writings I found on other Web sites.

In 1961, Mandela was the founder of Umkhonto we Siswe (”Spear of the People”), ANC’s terrorist arm, and never during all the time he was in prison did he condemn that organization’s acts of indiscriminate terrorism against civilians.

Mandela and the ANC learned from Yasir Arafat how to ‘discipline’ collaborators and make sure people toed the party line.

These included ‘necklacing’(putting a gasoline soaked tire over the victims head to bind their arms and setting it on fire, burning families in their homes in Soweto, operating what amounted to a protection racket among black South African businessmen and torturing dissidents at ANC gulags in Angola, something even Mandela has admitted occurred,although he’s never apologized or regretted it.

Mandela was also responsible for signing off on the Church Street bombing in Pretoria 1983,which killed 19 and wounded more than 200, mostly families in a busy shopping street at rush hour. The commander of that operation was Abu Bakr Ismail, a PLO terrorist.

“The problem is that Mandela has achieved next to nothing in his relatively short political career which saw South Africa rapidly decline to the status of the world's most violent and crime-ridden country. To add to the confusion, is the fact that his greatest friends are communists and Muslim dictators like Fidel Castro, Moammar Qaddafi, Yasser Arafat and Saddam Hussein. His ex-wife Winnie Mandela, whom he quickly jettisoned when it became clear she was a considerable embarrassment to his political career, is a self-confessed advocate of terrorism and violence, and has even committed murder. Nelson and Winnie Mandela are an African version of Bill and Hillary Clinton. In his public statements and speeches Mandela is always critical of the democratic countries of the west, but has nothing but praise for the remaining communist and Muslim dictatorships of the world. He condemns mistakes and controversial policies of the west, but refuses to publicly condemn the genocides and brutal repression of current or former communist countries; he is
supposedly a “champion of freedom and democracy”, the “hero of oppressed people everywhere” but considers dictatorships like Cuba and Libya shining beacons of freedom and justice.

For a preacher, you sure have odd heroes, Professor.

[10ac]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e94_1317489390

[aTm]

I like how that excerpt went and accused him and his wife of being all sorts of things like commies, murderers, terrorists, psychopaths, and then just throws in a line that basically says, "you know, they're like Bill and Hillary Clinton!"

[10ac]

Yeah, I thought that was a bit much. Foster went quick.




















J/K

[Professor Tiger]

My understanding of Mandela is he went into prison an angry radical (with some justification) but came out after 20 years an advocate of reconciliation. If he wanted to, as its first elected President, he could have brutally retaliated against the whites of South Africa, but he didn't. Like Lincoln could have followed his advisors and tormented the defeated South, but instead he welcomed them back instead.

Menachem Begin and some of the founders of Israel did some pretty morally disturbing stuff too.

[Professor Tiger]

NRO agrees:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/36 ... oy-murdock

[10ac]

So, I was dead wrong about Nelson Mandela, a great man and fine example to others, not least the current occupant of the White House.

Hmmmm....

[Toemeesleather]

Non-wind utilities fined heavily

Some see a double standard for wind farms.

ExxonMobil pleaded guilty in federal court in August to the deaths of 85 birds at its operations in several states, according to the Department of Justice. The birds were protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, and Exxon agreed to pay $600,000 in fines and fees. In July, the PacifiCorp utility of Oregon had to pay $10.5 million in fines, restitution and improvements to their equipment after 232 eagles were killed by running into power lines in Wyoming, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

That is far fewer than the estimated 10,000 birds (nearly all protected by the migratory bird law) that are being killed every year at Altamont, according to Robert Bryce, author of Gusher of Lies: The Dangerous Delusions of "Energy Independence." Bryce says that follows a decades-long double-standard where oil and gas companies face prosecution, but "politically popular" forms of energy get a pass.

[Toemeesleather]

Unscientific poll......and another question tick (libs) won't answer. Which image have you seen broadcast more often on a major news network/program?

This?







or this?

[Jungle Rat]

dumb birds

[Dr. Strangelove]

Its ironic that so many hardcore conservatives labelled Mandela a dangerous radical because he wouldn't renounce violence to bring independence to his country. Sort of like how George Washington refused to use violence to secure independence, right?

And Prof you bring up an honest point about how Israel became a country. You don't see too many conservatives denouncing the Founders of the Israeli state for using terrorism to gain their independence from the British.

[10ac]

In his interview with Barack Obama Thursday, Chris Matthews asked why there has been such a significant decline in the trust in government. In a nutshell, Obama’s answer: Ronald Reagan.

The president’s answer was quintessential Obamaesque:

“We’ve had a politics, frankly, you know, the entire Republican Party brand since Ronald Reagan has been ‘government’s the problem.’ And if you, day after day, week after week, election after election, are running on that platform and that permeates our culture and it’s picked up by, you know, ordinary citizens who grow skeptical, then it’s not surprising that over time, trust in government declines.”

Is he serious? It couldn’t be that “ordinary citizens” (the choice of “ordinary” is interesting in and of itself) have lost faith in Obama and his administration because of the myriad of scandals, his absence of leadership on the world stage (see: Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iran), his reckless runaway spending and the disastrous (and disingenuous) rollout of ObamaCare that have caused a majority of Americans to distrust him and his policies, right?

Barack Obama has preached the evils of conservatism and the bountifulness of “progressivism” to the faithful for years, has won two presidential elections as a result, and now…now that trust in him and his administration is at an all-time low, he blames the message on a president who left office 25 years ago?

[Dr. Strangelove]

I would say it's more LBJ and Nixon's fault than Reagan. Up until Vietnam/Watergate, most Americans believed their govt was essentially honest with them. Now, everyone assumes they are lying.

[10ac]

http://www.usaprepares.com/guns/chris-c ... -boom-boom

No justice, no peace!

[slingin sammy]

Somehow , it makes me feel somewhat better, to know that somewhere, Talent is once again crying in his beer ... that is all , carry on .

[10ac]

Yeah, that makes me smile too. Hello, sammy.

[Dr. Strangelove]

fuckin vols