Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Owlman]

I don't know about other states, but to get a hunting license in Alabama, you have to use ID. With college IDs, you just have to be admitted to the school.

Free IDs are a small price to pay if this is an issue, but I don't know how big a problem it is nationally. I do know someone personally who places votes for all his non-voting relatives - which gives him 4-5 votes, and I know of someone on this board who votes for his mother.

I hate that politics is a part of the discussion. But there are people who look at this as a way to help their candidate - like some of the people who want to make it harder for overseas military to vote.

It's been a while since I applied to college...don't you usually have to provide some form of identification at some point in the admissions process? Like a SS card?

I suppose one could argue that a college ID can be faked, but I'm not sure why a fake hunting license would be any more difficult.

Voter fraud is a much bigger deal in the minds of some people than what the reality is. I'm trying to find the number of civil complaints about coting rights filed every year...best I could find was this

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/crcusdc06.pdf

On page three there's a chart showing that there are about 150-200 cases per year filed in federal courts alleging voting rights discrimination. I can't say how many were found for the plaintiff but that's significantly more instances than the actual documented cases of voter fraud people can't point to.

Anyways, forcing people to purchase some sort of "voting card" should be and ought to be illegal under the 24th amendment. It is just a poll tax by another name.

Actually, the things that are provided to universities is more than enough to prove that you are the person, yet alone the immunization records that are required. There is no reason not to allow student id's.

[Owlman]

A free government-issued ID is a solution. After all, having an official -no cost- ID is a good thing and could potentially benefit the poor in other areas of life.

My religious friends would be in an uproar with one-world order and stuff. They were complaining about the SS card.

[AlabamAlum]

The college IDs do not address citizenship status, do they?

The one-world-order types who are against SS can't be a concern.

[AlabamAlum]

I'm not a whacko on this stuff, but I see the reasons for not allowing college IDs: citizenship issues, the for-profit status of colleges like ITT Tech, the fly-by-night status of on-line only scam universities, no codified rules for what diligence a school has to employ before they issue said ID, etc

[Owlman]

The college IDs do not address citizenship status, do they?

The one-world-order types who are against SS can't be a concern.

You don't have to prove citizen status to vote. You do need it to register. No id is used in registration. Not all driver's licenses show that you are an American citizen. The use of the id is to show you are who you say you are. Plus all your arguments about college ID's don't fit at all state universities, which have been the primary attack. State issued, safe, at least as secure for identification as most other state issued id's.

[AlabamAlum]

State universities are probably okay; however, for simplicity sake, I certainly understand limiting it to a few types of state-issued IDs.

As long as that state option is free, I have zero qualms about it.

[Owlman]

It's picking ID's based upon who they want to vote and that's bullshit.

[Owlman]

The one-world-order types who are against SS can't be a concern.

It'd never get past the tea-party controlled House of Representatives.

[AlabamAlum]

It's picking ID's based upon who they want to vote and that's bullshit.

lol. It's a free ID for the microscopic portion of voting Americans who have somehow made it to 2013 without some form of government ID.

I find nothing unreasonable in issuing these free IDs for the paltry few to ensure that they are the person that they say they are when they go to vote.

Out of curiosity, do you know how many states require an ID to vote?

[Dr. Strangelove]

It's picking ID's based upon who they want to vote and that's bullshit.

lol. It's a free ID for the microscopic portion of voting Americans who have somehow made it to 2013 without some form of government ID.

I find nothing unreasonable in issuing these free IDs for the paltry few to ensure that they are the person that they say they are when they go to vote.

Out of curiosity, do you know how many states require an ID to vote?

I think what he meant is that a hunting license being good enough to establish your identity while a college ID isn't is picking and choosing who you want voting to be easiest for. A free id for everyone is fine.

What owl said I think is right. The ID you show at the voting place establishes your identity, not your citizenship. Your citizenship is established when you register. II don't know if all states are the same, but in Ohio, if you aren't on the registered voter list, you will vote provisionally at best. Which means your vote won't ever be counted unless the race is close. At which point each provisional ballot receives close scrutiny.

[10ac]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1434747

Two Afro-Americans on trial for shooting White-Hispanic baby to death.

[10ac]

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[10ac]

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/08/23/ ... ashlights/


When flashlights are outlawed only outlaws will have flashlights.

[AlabamAlum]

I think what he meant is that a hunting license being good enough to establish your identity while a college ID isn't is picking and choosing who you want voting to be easiest for. A free id for everyone is fine.

Again, I think the issue with the college IDs is the potential for the for-profit and on-line college scams and the lack of a set of rules and requirements. But fine. Require government ID but disallow state-issued hunting licenses if that's a serious point of contention.

Voter registration on its own doesn't prove much. It's a mail-in form in most states. No real due diligence or vetting in some cases. It's not unheard of for people to register their pets to vote:

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Dog-Re ... 31093.html

[Owlman]

I remember that. That man was prosecuted.

State college ID's are government ID's.

[AlabamAlum]

Yeah. They had egg on their face. He foolishly broadcasted his deed. Big mistake. The point stands, though: not much oversight, vetting or processes in place with many states.

While some may consider a card from a state college a 'government-issued ID' (and be okay with accepting those and disallowing the others), I think it would be too problematic. Take an ID from the University of Tennessee, but not from Vandy? Take one from The University of Indiana but not from Notre Dame? Heck, Harvard, MIT, Duke...etc, etc would all be off the list.

Nah. Just take the hunting license off the table as a compromise and give a free ID to those few who don't already have an ID from an official government agency.

[Toemeesleather]

The way the NYT views a jobs boom in a non politically correct/non gov't/non UAW industry.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/us/16 ... d=all&_r=0

[gule]

100's of thousands? bwhahahaha, what a complete lie! You can't find Ten people that were denied their vote.

Exactly. Because the courts stopped it, for example, in Pennsylvania before several hundred thousands were disenfranchised. But the rules you are proposing if implemented will take off 100's of thousands. The statement stands.

LOl, stands as Balderdash aka nonsensical untruth

why do you lie?

[hedge]

" If an 83 year old dad is too sorry to go get a free ID or his worthless piece of shit son won't help him get it, maybe he shouldn't be voting anyway."

Fortunately, you don't get to decide on the criteria by which someone should or shouldn't get to vote...

[Dr. Strangelove]

Doctors Without Borders reporting that at least 3600 people with neurotoxic symptoms showed up in Damascus hospitals on Wed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23827950