Ostensibly Hoops

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Fri May 10, 2013 10:54 am

Yeah, I saw that article this morning when I was deciding on what was going to be my train reading. I ultimately chose an article about US Border Patrol agents killing innocent Mexicans on Mexican soil and the US policy of not making any of it public. I'll get to that one this weekend. It looks like a doozy. Noah is probably 7 months away from marrying her.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri May 10, 2013 2:22 pm

I heard they were bringing in Salsa from New York City. They knew the risk.

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:17 pm

who puts up with that kind of crazy?

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:22 pm

People who love the sex.

hedge · Post by **hedge** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:25 am

Marquis Teague, a point guard on a team that hasn't had its starting pg all year and therefor (you would think) would have a prime opportunity to get some minutes, is averaging 8 minutes per game, 2 ppg and 1 assist. Yep, Cal really prepares em! Meanwhile, Danny Green and Harrison Barnes are both starters getting major minutes. They'll both enjoy long, productive and profitable NBA careers. Too bad Roy didn't encourage both of them to leave UNC after one year just to prove he "prepares" his guys for the league...

T Dot O Dot · Post by **T Dot O Dot** » Sat May 11, 2013 11:17 am

I never understood Teague leaving & when he was selected by Chicago he couldn't have been too happy

a better case is DeAndre Liggins, he averaged 8.8 ppg his junior year & left early, was drafted in the 2nd round and will probably be out of the league in a year or 2...

Roy could easily counter the "holding guys back" stigma by saying his players at least make it to their 2nd NBA contract

crotch · Post by **crotch** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:33 pm

hedge wrote:Marquis Teague, a point guard on a team that hasn't had its starting pg all year and therefor (you would think) would have a prime opportunity to get some minutes, is averaging 8 minutes per game, 2 ppg and 1 assist. Yep, Cal really prepares em! Meanwhile, Danny Green and Harrison Barnes are both starters getting major minutes. They'll both enjoy long, productive and profitable NBA careers. Too bad Roy didn't encourage both of them to leave UNC after one year just to prove he "prepares" his guys for the league...

Teague's own brother recently stated that Marquis should have stayed at Kentucky another year or two to develop his game. No way was this kid ready for the NBA.... just like Goodwin.

hedge · Post by **hedge** » Sat May 11, 2013 1:00 pm

Yeah, but you can't just focus on the surefire successes, you have to look at the busts. Well, UK fans don't have to, but I guarantee opposing coaches - say Roy, for instance - are pointing out his guys that may have stayed longer than people *thought* they should have, but they're now successful in the league, while a gracious plenty of Cal's one and doner's are either out of the league or soon to be. But again, every high school hot shot thinks he's going to be the next Derrick Rose or John Wall, not the next Bledsoe or Teague. Just ask... well, just ask Bledsoe or Teague. I'm just happy that those type of players are continuing to pile up for Cal. I'm kinda thinking we can go ahead and add Godwin to that list. Crotch seems to agree...

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Sat May 11, 2013 4:14 pm

hedge wrote:Yeah, but you can't just focus on the surefire successes, you have to look at the busts. Well, UK fans don't have to, but I guarantee opposing coaches - say Roy, for instance - are pointing out his guys that may have stayed longer than people *thought* they should have, but they're now successful in the league, while a gracious plenty of Cal's one and doner's are either out of the league or soon to be. But again, every high school hot shot thinks he's going to be the next Derrick Rose or John Wall, not the next Bledsoe or Teague. Just ask... well, just ask Bledsoe or Teague. I'm just happy that those type of players are continuing to pile up for Cal. I'm kinda thinking we can go ahead and add Godwin to that list. Crotch seems to agree...

and Cal is going to point out how Harrison Barnes was as sure fire draft pick with guaranteed money in one year until he went to Roy.

No kid is going to give a shit about a long term career in the NBA - they all think they'll be NBA all stars.

Clearly Roy is highly effective using this as a recruiting tactic against Cal

crotch · Post by **crotch** » Sat May 11, 2013 4:28 pm

It would surprise me if Goodwin ever averages more than 5-6 minutes per game for his entire future NBA career..... No way should this kid have declared, but most UK fans are happy he did.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Sat May 11, 2013 6:41 pm

How is it Cals fault what they do once they get drafted? His job is to get them drafted. The rest is up to the player & the team that drafted them. This is a stupid waste of time.

T Dot O Dot · Post by **T Dot O Dot** » Sat May 11, 2013 6:44 pm

It's also his job to prepare them for the NBA & give true counsel on whether a kid is ready for the next level or not

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:14 pm

T Dot O Dot wrote:It's also his job to prepare them for the NBA & give true counsel on whether a kid is ready for the next level or not

what is true counsel in the case of Teague? You think Calipari planned on Ryan Harrow and Jarod Polson being our PG's ?

He let the kid get a guaranteed contract.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:20 pm

T Dot O Dot wrote:It's also his job to prepare them for the NBA & give true counsel on whether a kid is ready for the next level or not

How are you going to tell a lottery pick like that Gillcrist (sorry if i spelled it wrong) kid not to go? He might end up sucking DS's nutsack on a bad day in ChinaTown but he did take care of his family.

crotch · Post by **crotch** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:28 pm

.........the breakdown of the top five schools’ former players making the most money in the NBA.

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5. UCLA -$56,905,864 (11 players)

Almost half of the Bruins’ total comes from superstars Russell Westbrook ($13.7 million) and Kevin Love ($13.7 million).

4. Kentucky – $61,882,315 (20 players)

Kentucky’s two highest paid players come from the pre-Caliapri era, with Rajon Rondo ($11 million) and Tayshaun Prince ($6.7 million) making the most. The Cats have 18 other players in the league, and are still under their rookie contract. In the next few years, Kentucky will skyrocket on this list.

3. Florida – $61,998,530 (10 players)

David Lee, Al Horford, and Joakim Noah made a combined $36 million, which is more than all but eleven schools’ total figure.

2. Connecticut – $76,047,203 (13 players)

Rudy Gay, Emeka Okafor, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva, and Caron Butler all made over $8 million this season.

1. Duke – $77,244,780 (18 players)

Duke has three players making over $10 million, incuding Carlos Boozer, Luol Deng, and Corey Maggette. Also consider a future NBA star Kyrie Irving only made $5.3 million. Once his rookie contract is up, his salary will increase dramatically.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:50 pm

UK will own #1 once rookie contracts expire. Cal knows what he's doing. You don't. That's obvious.

T Dot O Dot · Post by **T Dot O Dot** » Sat May 11, 2013 8:09 pm

Jungle Rat wrote:
T Dot O Dot wrote:It's also his job to prepare them for the NBA & give true counsel on whether a kid is ready for the next level or not
How are you going to tell a lottery pick like that Gillcrist (sorry if i spelled it wrong) kid not to go? He might end up sucking DS's nutsack on a bad day in ChinaTown but he did take care of his family.

I dont think any of us are dicussing Gilchrist, or Anthony Davis for matter, they are obvious sure shot lottery picks who will make NBA money well after their rookie deals are done

I'm talking about the Teague's & Liggins' of the world, they both would have been better off in the long run spending an extra year in school

This Goodwin kid is nowhere even close to being NBA ready, and the kid is getting bad advice

There are a couple other projected second rounders that have me scartching my head... specifically Myck Kabongo, my gut is tellin me his coach wants him to stay but he's leaving anyway, meanwhile it sounds like Cal is telling kids to go when he knows they arent ready.... but at least it frees up a roster spot for his next superfreshman recruit

all i'm sayin is there are scenarios where holding a kid back is mutually beneficial to both the coach & player

sardis · Post by **sardis** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:49 pm

Gilchrist? The best you can hope for on him is that he'll be another Stacey Augmon...

T Dot O Dot · Post by **T Dot O Dot** » Sat May 11, 2013 11:16 pm

eCat wrote: what is true counsel in the case of Teague?

True Counsel : You have a solid chance of being a mid-to-late 1st round pick, with a possibility of going in the early 2nd round, so you will most likely earn a rookie scale contract, but you aren't ready for the NBA, by a longshot... stay an extra year and you will be a guaranteed lottery pick & more NBA ready

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Sun May 12, 2013 7:14 am

and then what if he says "I'd rather have the money"? You lay it out honestly for the kid and then let them make their decisions. Teague came to Kentucky because he wanted a chance to be a one and done, not to have an extended career preparing him for the NBA

as for Liggins - he became a father the year before, he was a 5 star kid going coming into to UK and had to deal with Gillipsie's drunk ass, so he was a Junior by the time Cal got him.
Liggins is a success story for Cal, not a failure.

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