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[Saint]

another reason (at least around here) is landlords don't pay when they don't have a tenant occupying their property.

[eCat]

if it were up to me, I'd probably compromise on a lean but no forfeit rule.

I have no problem with someone losing a house because they didn't pay a mortgage, but I have a serious problem with someone losing their home because they couldn't pay taxes that were either assessed or voted on and applied to them.

I would just require that a home/land cannot be sold (but it can be inherited) until all leans are addressed but as long as it is your primary residence or farm, you cannot lose it to taxes.

My FIL (age 83) family home still has his father's name on the deed. His father died in 1934. Your presumption is that homes go up for sale. For many homes, there aren't sales. How long you going to keep a lean? Don't pay your property taxes, that's some kids school supplies. That's the potholes in the street. That the man who is picking up your trash. Hell, why pay the taxes, if it's going to be a meaningless lien. Just keep it until I decide to sale the sucker, if I ever do, then just pay it from the sale (some 30 years later). Now multiply that by everybody in the city.

The number one reason people don't pay their property taxes is their children don't pay them when the parents die.

I don't want the taxes tied to property to begin with, but they do it because they know the idea of losing your house will compel you to pay (which is why they get paid on time so frequently). But at least my lean concept means that you aren't going to get off scott free for not paying. The house will never be sold until the tax issue is settled and whether they go up for sale or not is irrelevant to me. If the local government doesn't like that situation, then in my world they should come up with a way to collect taxes without holding your home hostage.

This whole argument for this is just based on "this is the way is has to be because its the way its been".

[sardis]

How can you have a dead person still on the deed? You can't do that here.

[sardis]

its like Sardis said, we have people who live on fixed incomes here that have seen their property taxes go up $1400 a year since 1993. Some were also mandated to convert from septic systems to the city system at a cost of $22K per house which was added on as a low interest payment to their property taxes AND their water bill. Now throw in that their property has gone up probably 50% in value since its purchase in the late 70's or early 80's and its possible that their post mortgage tax burden is just as high as their original mortgage was.

no one is saying that you don't need police, firemen, - all that but its bullshit that you can pay off your house by the time you are 40 and 20 years after that you're paying as much in taxes, etc tied to your property as your mortgage was - at a time in your life when you can least afford it as you should be dumping money into retirement. That's an extreme example but I"m sure its not far off for some folks , especially in rural areas that have exploded in growth while state funding has dried up...and its tied to your property for no other reason than they know you'd pass up everything else including a few meals before you gave up your residence - something that you worked a good % of your life to own.

makes me angry just typing it

I'd also consider everyone past whatever the retirement age is having zero tax burden other than sales tax.

That's how they got the African Americans off of Hilton Head island. Taxes got so high many had to liquidate. Now, all the real estate is owned by racist Ohioans...

[eCat]

thats part of it - they've maxed out the taxes to the point that no one can afford to pay higher than they have now anyways - so its essentially a capped revenue stream for landlocked communities - and the schools, police, fire, etc all suffer because it takes a monumental effort to get a levy passed.

[Bklyn]

That's how they got the African Americans off of Hilton Head island. Taxes got so high many had to liquidate. Now, all the real estate is owned by racist Ohioans...

LOL

[Jungle Rat]

I'm NOT A RACIST!!!

[Jungle Rat]

Anyone want to rent a 3 BR in Hilton Head? Full negro staff on hand to support you.

[Owlman]

How can you have a dead person still on the deed? You can't do that here.

In most states, under intestate law, the ownership transfers automatically upon death. But it's only upon opening a succession or noticement of death to the state that 3rd parties are put on notice. Unless a member of the family wants to sell, there is no incentive to pay the money to do so. My FIL is fthe youngest of 8 siblings. Only the oldest died with a will (he was childless and his will simply left his interest, whatever it is to the 2 youngest brothers. Now, only my FIL and his 86 year old brother are left. But his brother is dying and doesn't have a will so his current 24% interest will go to his 6 daughters. You have to own at least 16% to force division of the property. But the law says that to do so, you must notify all heirs, some of which we have absolutely no idea where they are located.

This is very common in virtually every city in the United States.

[Owlman]

Found a prime 10 acre site in the middle of the city that I knew the area would pop in the next 10 years. Problem, found 96 heirs, some in California, none owning 16% except for the one we couldn't find, an 84 year old woman who owned 25% somewhere in the northern part of the state. Even if we could find her, you're looking at at least $100,000 worth of legal work.

[aTm]

Today's lesson

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[eCat]

extra credit

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[aTm]

burrito?

[Bklyn]

Well done aTm. Figures someone from Houston would execute the reference.

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[aTm]

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[Saint]

I just took eCat's spelling to be phonetic, showcasing his hilljack accent

[eCat]

I think its fairly ironic that the last three presidents admitted to drug use were lucky enough not to get caught, but had they been caught would have had trouble getting jobs and ultimately never become president," Paul told Business Insider. "They were fortunate, they were lucky, but I think the laws need to be changed so we're not ruining people's lives for youthful mistakes." ~ Rand Paul

[Bklyn]

yep. 43 would have been fine, but Billy Clint and Obama would have been in a much different place. Neither one of them would have met the women they married. Neither one would have been able to practice law (at least in most states). Funny enough, Bill can't practice law now...but that happened AFTER he became President. Bill would probably have been a divorced middle manager at some mid sized corporation. Obama would have wound up being a small business owner in Hawaii.

[sardis]

'Neither one of them would have met the women they married.'

I'm not sure which side you are arguing...