bluetick wrote:Big Orange Junky wrote:
The arguement is does the landowner have the right to tell you what you can have inside your private property. The answer is a resounding NO, it is as I stated before the guns in trunks bill just reinforces that long held premise and it upholds the private property rights of both the car owner and the land owner. Nothing more, nothing less.
You are a fucking lunatic. Read the bill. It merely says a HCP holder doesn't face criminal penalties and the fine for having a registered weapon stored in the car. THAT IS ALL. Penalties remain for the vast majority of Tennesseans who don't have a HCP.
And HCP holders can still be terminated by their employer who demands a gun-free workplace...the NRA wanted that immunity amendment and did not get it. So there is a resounding YES - landowners CAN tell you what you can't have inside your car on said landowners property.
Read it.
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB0142.pdf
Again you are flat out wrong period.
He can't tell you what you can and can't have in your car because the car is PRIVATE PROPERTY. He doesnt' have to let you park there, but what is in your car is YOUR BUSINESS.
Don't believe it just go try and search cars in your parking lot. I'll give you a hint, you will be in JAIL. You can't search the car without the owners PERMISSION.
The private property rights of both are protected and you just can't stand it. You will find nobody more pro private property than me, hell I refused to move to an area with any kind of homeowners association because what I do on my property is my business. By the same token, if you pull up on my property I can tell you to leave, but I can't tell you what you can and can't have in your car and I can't search your car just because it is on my property. Why? Because it is PRIVATE PROPERTY and it is YOUR BUSINESS not mine even though you car is on my property. I mean the Supreme Court says this, Tennessee law says this, it has been this way for years, the corprate Mountain States Health Alliance couldn't violate this long held premise and keep people from smoking in their vehicles on their property but somehow Tick doesn't understand this.
That's all the bill does, it says you can't keep someone from having a gun in their car, but if they find out about it and it's against company policy you can be fired for violating company policy. It's pretty simple. They have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER YOUR CAR PERIOD. THEY CAN'T SEARCH IT, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO IT. They can make any company policy they want, but they can't keep you from from carrying your gun in the car. They can fire you for violating company policy, but they can't look for the gun because they can't search your PRIVATE PROPERTY. Many companies wanted to use the TAC against permit holders and the law just nipped it in the bud by making sure everybody understood that the property owner has no say over the vehicle and it's contents and the TAC (which allows business owners to determine if their facility allows guns or nog) does not extend to the private propert of the car owner.
I can't believe you are so dense you can't see the distinction so I just think you don't want to.
PS there are NO PENALTIES for ANYBODY, Permit holders or not, for having a gun stored in your car as long as it is stored properly. You don't need a permit to carry a gun in Tennessee, you need a permit to carry a LOADED gun but without a permit as long as the gun and the ammo are in different parts of the vehicle and the weapon isn't loaded there is NO PENALTY WHAT SO EVER. I'm guessing you don't hunt much or you would know this.
