Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Dora]

Maybe there are a few Marcus Welby's still out there, Dora. But most doctors anymore won't take you on if you aren't backed by a guaranteed payer.

You're wrong bluetick. Lots of people don't have insurance & still get medical care. I live with such a person.

[Hacksaw]

You're wrong bluetick.

It's really not necessary to qualify any of your posts with this statement. It's a given.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Doc:

hi

[crashcourse]

I'll stick with the age old argument

anything the government sticks there nose into is proven to run inefficiently and at twice the cost originally estimated

if somebody could show me how well the governmnet has ran social security or medicare I'd be glad to turn over my health care money to them for them to decide where and when I should go

concur 100% it should be a state decision/individual decision but don't cram it down are throats on a national stage

[Hacksaw]

This is a sampling of Obama gaffes posted to YouTube six months ago. So it doesn't inlcude a LOT of more recent stuff. Kind of makes you wonder why they made such a big deal about Dubya over stuff like this. Oh, wait...no need to wonder -- 9:1...

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[Dora]

if somebody could show me how well the governmnet has ran social security or medicare I'd be glad to turn over my health care money to them for them to decide where and when I should go

People who use Medicare have the option of using private insurers. I know many people using Medicare & I don't know anyone who has opted to do this. Not even one person. If there were a problem with Medicare & SS, people who use it would be complaining. But they aren't the ones complaining.

[innocentbystander]

California.....

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishans ... epage=true

You see, here is the situation in California. Tens of thousands of prisoners are scheduled by a U.S. Supreme Court order to be released. But why this inability to house our criminals when we pay among the highest sales, income, and gas taxes in the nation? Too many criminals? Too few new prisons? Too high costs per prisoner? Too many non-violent crimes that warrant incarceration? God help us when they are released. We know what crime is like now; what will it be like if thousands are let go? I doubt they will end up in the yards of the justices who let them out.

I think I have a clue to what’s ahead. Here is an aside, a sort of confession of my last six months in the center of our cry-the-beloved state:

December 2010: rear-ended by a texting driver; I called 9/11 and the police; she called “relatives” who arrived in two carloads. You get the picture. Luckily the police got there before her “family” did, and cited her. Still waiting to fix the dented truck.

March 2011: riding a bike in rural California, flipped over a “loose dog,” resulting in assorted injuries. Residents — well over 10 in various dwellings —claimed ignorance about the dogs outside their homes: no licenses, no vaccinations, no leashes, no fence. Final score: them: slammed door and shrugs; me: ruined bike, injuries, and a long walk home.

May 2011: two males drive in “looking to buy scrap metal.” They are politely told to leave. That night barn is burglarized and $1200 in property stolen.

Later May 2011: a female drives in van into front driveway with four males, “just looking to rent” neighbor’s house. They leave. Only later I learn they earlier came in the back way and had forced their way in, prying the back driveway gate, springing and bending armature.

Later May 2011: shop is burglarized — both bolt and padlock knocked off. Shelves stripped clean. It is the little things like this that aggravate Californians, especially when lectured not to sweat it by the academics on the coast and the politicians in Sacramento.

NB: I have been hit three times in the last 10 years: 1) driver ran stop sign, slammed into my truck, limped off, was run down and detained by me until police arrived; 2) speeding driver hit a mattress in the road (things such as that are rarely tied down by motorists in California), swerved, was hit, did a 180, braked, but still hit me at 45 mph head-on (survived due to the air bags of the Honda Accord); 3) rear-ended as explained above. But this time your wiser author, when the car rear-ended me at 50 mph, was driving a four-wheel-drive Toyota Tundra with huge tow bar in back; the texter was driving a Civic. Nuff said.

Such is life 180 miles — and a cosmos away — from the Stanford campus.

Our schools rate just below Mississippi in math and science. Tell me why, given our high taxes and highest paid teachers in the nation? Can the governor or legislature explain?

I can explain it.

This is what happens when third world people (who have not fully matriculated into the first world because they never had to) are allowed to reside illegally in a first world nation with first world luxuries, first world convenience, first world wealth and abundance, all the while NOT being held to the same standard of first world expectations of individual citizens with regards to responsibility and accountability. Basically, what ends up happening is it gets very, very, expensive for the law-followers to share the land and "live" among/along side the law-breakers. And the law-breakers never fully appreciate how good they have it when all they do is bitch and moan about the things they DON'T have, things they feel they are somehow entitled to.... ...that is California.

[Professor Tiger]

IB: I am right. You are wrong. And a dumbass.

Mitt understands this, but I'm not sure you do.

[crashcourse]

http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=AjQ3kJfAkPnIs ... -of-murder

tough call

I would have shot him only once more

[bluetick]

Maybe there are a few Marcus Welby's still out there, Dora. But most doctors anymore won't take you on if you aren't backed by a guaranteed payer.

You're wrong bluetick. Lots of people don't have insurance & still get medical care. I live with such a person.

Not "lots", Dora. Everybody gets medical care in this country without insurance. Emergency rooms are overflowing with them. I think you missed the point.

Most doctors groups won't take new patients who have no insurance. They point the uninsured towards government services or non-profit clinics. The sad part comes when people who have had their same MD for 20-30 years get turned away because they lost their insurance.

Granted there are exceptions to everything. If the uninsured person you live with signed on with a for-profit medical group, I'd like to hear some of the particulars.

[bluetick]

You're wrong bluetick.

It's really not necessary to qualify any of your posts with this statement. It's a given.

Sad that Hack packed it in post-dubya. Now he's left with cheerleading for puter, or taking the odd shot from the weeds.

Come back, Hack.

[Dora]

Most doctors groups won't take new patients who have no insurance. They point the uninsured towards government services or non-profit clinics. The sad part comes when people who have had their same MD for 20-30 years get turned away because they lost their insurance.

This is absolutely not true. I've been without insurance for periods of my life & have never been turned away by any doctor. I never had to use an emergency room either. Just because someone doesn't have insurance, does not mean they are destitue & qualify for Medicaid.

If the uninsured person you live with signed on with a for-profit medical group, I'd like to hear some of the particulars.

What's to know? He has never had health insurance & has used the same doctors as I do wherever we've lived. He's pretty healthy & has fared well without insurance. I'm self-employed (as is he) & have to get insurance on my own. It costs me $500 a month & doesn't cover what the insurance company considers pre-existing conditions. I have a $2500 deductible & before I reach this deductible, the insurance doesn't pay for anything. So, not counting expenditures for pre-existing conditions, I spend $8500 a year before I get anything from the insurance. My guy has never had to spend that much a year for medical care.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Run, Rudy, Run!!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55838.html

[Hacksaw]

You're wrong bluetick.

It's really not necessary to qualify any of your posts with this statement. It's a given.

Sad that Hack packed it in post-dubya. Now he's left with cheerleading for puter, or taking the odd shot from the weeds.

Come back, Hack.

Heh...weak. I thought maybe you'd have a comment on the videos I posted.

[Hacksaw]

I'm surprised that none of the Bush-haters here had any reaction to the Obama gaffe videos. You all had plenty to say about what a buffoon Bush was when similar videos were posted of him -- about what a joke he was and how he was an embarrassment to the U.S. in the eyes of the world. Yet no reaction when it's Obama acting like a dork? Here, all this time, I was under the impression that sort of behavior by a sitting POTUS really bothered you guys. I guess something has mellowed you and allowed you to relax and be more understanding. Well, good for you guys!

[Jungle Rat]

stfu

[Dr. Strangelove]

Another conservative upset that an American President was "disrespectful" to the Queen?

[Hacksaw]

Another conservative upset that an American President was "disrespectful" to the Queen?

lmao

You never disappoint, DSL.

[TheBigMook]

The Queen can lick my hairy balls.

[Hacksaw]

It has nothing to do with the queen.

It has to do with 8 years of blind seething outrage over the embarrassment of Dubya's gaffes -- and the usual double-standard when it comes to someone you support.

It also has to do with an administration that still looks like a bunch of kids trying to learn how to make french fries down at the corner Dairy Queen after 2 and-a-half years on the job.