Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Owlman]

for Hedge

Chicago Pot Farm's Plants as Big as Trees

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/ch ... ories.html

[Dr. Strangelove]

Jim Lehrer took the debate in a weird direction with his questions regarding the gold standard and the Fatty Arbuckle scandal

[Jungle Rat]

Didn't watch it Wizzie. I have a life.

[THE_WIZARD_]

no you dont

[hedge]

for Hedge

Chicago Pot Farm's Plants as Big as Trees

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/ch ... ories.html

Interesting news. And yet, many people would think it would be perfectly "OK" for cops to murder anybody they came across when they stumbled onto that crop. At the very least, they not only think it's OK, but actively support and believe that anyone "caught" tending those plants deserves to have their property confiscated and they themselves thrown in prison for years and years simply for growing marijuana. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a travesty. What next? Round up the jews and put them in ovens? Oh wait, that's already been done. But seriously, what's the difference?? I don't see any...

[innocentbystander]

Tonight was Tyson vs Peter McNeeley circa 1995. The President got his nuts kicked in by Governor Romney. Holy Shit!

[hedge]

God damn it, I thought you were dead. Indeed, prayed that you were dead, or at least in the midst of suffering agonizing pain that would lead to your slow death. What a shocker that you're back after a 6 week absence. It won't last. Thank god.

[hedge]

Tonight was Tyson vs Peter McNeeley circa 1995. The President got his nuts kicked in by Governor Romney. Holy Shit!

So you're comparing Willard to Mike Tyson? Not sure you want to go there...

[innocentbystander]

God damn it, I thought you were dead. Indeed, prayed that you were dead, or at least in the midst of suffering agonizing pain that would lead to your slow death. What a shocker that you're back after a 6 week absence. It won't last. Thank god.

I don't believe for one second that you pray for anything.

[hedge]

I am the god of this universe, much greater than any bullshit deity you believe in or could possibly conceive of, and yes, I have consulted with myself and we have determined that we would like to see you tortured to death, as slowly and painfully as possible. And it will happen, at my hands...

[Johnette's Daddy]

I have to agree that Romney had an excellent night. I don't know how much impact it will have overall, but he will re-energize a base that was losing heart for weeks.

Obama looked apathetic and tired. Nothing like the 2008 debates. I'm guessing in Round 2 he will pick it up

As for Ryan/Biden....irrelevant. Biden is such a joke amongst most people, that it's seen as a major triumph if he doesn't throw up all over himself. Just like Romney benefited from low expectations, so will Biden. But ultimately, no one's ever been won over by a VP debate.

Sigh.

Barry was a real pussycat tonight.

I don't think it will affect the polls much but this is not the time to lose any momentum.

Everyone on Barry's prep team should be court-martialed, shot AND sent to the Russian front.

http://hark.com/clips/svjvtzwzwb-you-an ... -martialed

[puterbac]

So was it as bad as even the lib pundits say?

Andrew Sullivan comments were great...heh.

Dennis Miller tweets:


Romney keeps this up Obama's gonna vote for him.

And

Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare.

[innocentbystander]

Opening October 12th at a theater near you...

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Part 2: The Strike

[sardis]

It's kind of hard to blame the debate prep squad on Oprama's performance. He never was really a stellar debater. Great speechwriter, yes, but not a good debater. And you can tell he hates doing it.

[hedge]

I read some article talking about how Obama couldn't come out and be like Al Gore, pacing around and clearly disdainful of his opponent, he had to stay calm, dignified and "presidential". But last night was taking it too far. Romney has pitched so many softballs over the past few weeks as well as last night, and Obama whiffed on all of them. I suspect he'll make better contact in the next inning...

[THE_WIZARD_]

So was it as bad as even the lib pundits say?

Andrew Sullivan comments were great...heh.

Dennis Miller tweets:


Romney keeps this up Obama's gonna vote for him.

And

Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare.

HEH!

[Toemeesleather]

Somebody missed his binky (teleprompter) last night.

[puterbac]

Stossel is the man...

We Fund Dependency

By John Stossel - October 3, 2012

"There are no jobs!" That is what people told me outside a government "jobs center" in New York City.

To check this out, I sent four researchers around the area. They quickly found 40 job openings. Twenty-four were entry-level positions. One restaurant owner told me he would hire 12 people if workers would just apply.

It made me wonder what my government does in buildings called "job centers." So I asked a college intern, Zoelle Mallenbaum, to find out. Here's what she found:

"First I went to the Manhattan Jobs Center and asked, "Can I get help finding a job?" They told me they don't do that. 'We sign people up for food stamps.' I tried another jobs center. They told me to enroll for unemployment benefits."

So the "jobs" centers help people get handouts. Neither center suggested people try the 40 job openings in the neighborhood.

My intern persisted:

"I explained that I didn't want handouts; I wanted a job. I was told to go to 'WorkForce1,' a New York City program. At WorkForce1, the receptionist told me that she couldn't help me since I didn't have a college degree. She directed me to another center in Harlem. In Harlem, I was told that before I could get help, I had to come back for an 8:30 a.m. 'training session.'"

Our government helps you apply for handouts immediately, but forces you through a maze if you want to work.

"WorkForce1's website says to arrive 30 minutes early, so I did," Zoelle said. "A security guard told me the building was closed. At 9:15, Workforce1 directed 30 of us into a room where we were told that WorkForce1 directs candidates to jobs and provides a resource room with 'free' phone, fax and job listings and helps people apply for unemployment insurance and disability handouts. This seemed like the only part of the presentation when people took notes.

"One lady told me that she comes to WorkForce1 because it helps her collect unemployment. One asked another, 'What do you want to do?' The second laughed, 'I want to collect!' One told me, 'I've been coming here 17 months; this place is a waste of time.'

"Finally, I met with an 'adviser.' She told me I lacked experience. I know this. I asked for any job she thought I was qualified for, and she scheduled an interview at Pret, a food chain that trains employees. At Pret, I learned that my 'interview' was just a weekly open house, publicized on the company's website. Anyone could walk in and apply. Workforce1 offered no advantage. Despite my 'scheduled interview,' I waited 90 minutes before meeting a manager. He told me that WorkForce1 had 'wasted my time, as they always do.' He said, 'They never call, never ask questions.' He prefers to hire people who seek out jobs on their own, like those who see Pret ads on Craigslist.'"

My intern learned a lot from this experience. Here are her conclusions:

--It's easier to get welfare than to work.

--The government would rather sign me up for welfare than help me find work.

--America has taxpayer-funded bureaucracies that encourage people to be dependent. They incentivize people to take "free stuff," not to take initiative.

--It was easier to find job openings on my own. The private market for jobs works better than government "job centers."

Yet now New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg wants to expand Workforce1, claiming that it helps people "find real opportunities." I bet he never sends people in to find out whether they really do.

Once politicians figured out that welfare creates dependency and hurts poor people, they (logically) assumed that employment services and job training would help. Job training does help -- when employers do it. But government does everything badly.

GeorgiaWork$, a state program in that state, provided such poor training that only 14 percent of trainees were hired.

The Comprehensive Employment Training Act (CETA) operated more like a commercial for government handouts. It launched door-to-door food stamp recruiting campaigns, and gave people free rides to welfare offices.

America now has 47 federal jobs programs. They fail. Yet politicians want more. They always want more. 

[Professor Tiger]

Congrats, IB. Your guy did great last night. I note you only show up whenever Thurston has a good day - about once a month.

[10ac]

The giddyness seems to have been tempered a bit.