Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[hedge]

Obviously everything depends upon what one's definition of "good" is. I am quite happy that mine is not the same as yours. I suspect you feel the same...

[Big Orange Junky]

Obviously everything depends upon what one's definition of "good" is. I am quite happy that mine is not the same as yours. I suspect you feel the same...

No, got nothing against you. I don't dislike you, that would be silly.

[Jungle Rat]

I've met him in person. You have every right to hate him.

[Big Orange Junky]

Ok horrible, horrible officiating in the Denver/Oakland game. Just awful. As bad or worse than the replacement refs in one string right here.

They first call a sack on the Oakland quarterback that clearly was either an incomplete pass or intentional grounding. No doubt about it. The announcers even said they were at a loss for words for how they made that call. Then on the next possession Denver clearly makes a catch for a first down. Oakland challenges it and the announcers say "well this will be a catch because even though the ball hit the ground he clearly had control of the catch before that, we've seen this come into play alot" and lo and behold they got it wrong and called it incomplete. The announcers then make excuses for them and say "well it's a judgement call and that's how he saw it". Next play Denver runs it to the goal line and fumbles, recovered by Oakland. They proceed to get a safety, but the officialls miss it and don't award the safety. Replay shows it was a safety but they don't review it. Then Oakland makes a good play and gets to within about a half yard of the first down, but they spot it two yards farther up and give them a first down. That one is challenged and overturned (rightfully so) but it took a challenge to get the spot right when the guy clearly stepped out of bounds.

Now with a series like this don't give me that crap about the regular officials being so much better than the replacements. You can't get a much worse stretch of officiating than that.

I doubt it is talked about much on the shows though. It will be overlooked.

At least their ineptness was equally bad for both teams.

[Jungle Rat]

Why were you watching the bronco game? I thought you were a colts fan?

[Owlman]

1 - his unbudgeted wars.
2 - his tax cuts for the rich.

Are you talking about Bush, or about Obama?

The wars (now war) are part of the budget now. Therefore, he couldn't be talking about Obama. I find it interesting that someone says Keynesian economics don't work because people aren't following Keynesian economics. Not only did Bush II not increase taxes when the economy was doing well, he increased spending, and he didn't pay for the wars.

[Big Orange Junky]

Why were you watching the bronco game? I thought you were a colts fan?

No, no you have me all wrong. I am not an NFL fan. I just watch whichever one is on OR Peyton Manning. I AM a Peyton Manning fan.

But I didn't see any of the talking heads dissecting that crapfest of calling during that game, nor the other missed calls today. Hummmm........

Can anyone say "manufactured crisis".

That "sack" they gave Denver was worse than the Green Bay call. I mean the quarterback threw the ball at the defender and hit him in the head with it. They could have called intentional grounding, they could have called an incomplete pass, but a sack when the ball clearly hit the defender before he ever got to the quarterback? How in the heck do ya come up with that?

[Professor Tiger]

What is it about Tennessee fans that makes them whine about the ref's incessantly?

[Dr. Strangelove]

What is it about Tennessee fans that makes them whine about the ref's incessantly?

An inability to accept reality?

Speaking of...

The Parallel Universe in Which Mitt Leads All Polls

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/09 ... html?hp=t1

[bluetick]

An unfair comparison. You can actually argue the degree and worthiness of conservative paranoia and how that relates to the media becoming their favorite whipping boy.

Whereas it's cut 'n dry how unjustly the zebras have jobbed our boys the last several years.

[10ac]

I see where Urban has been doctoring the game films before they are sent out. Fine honest man you replaced your cheater with.

[hedge]

Google "Julian Sanchez and epistemic closure"...

[bluetick]

I think this 1998 review of George Nash's The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America Since 1945 spoke to the roots of that sense of closure. And that was well before the Tea Party, and the populism that has driven away the diverse deep-thinkers on the order of the late messrs Buckley and Kristol. To be a bonafide spokesman for the right today a body has to hit the proper notes on ALL the biggies: taxes, abortion, small government, guns, and global warming...with no exceptions. PhDs need not apply, obviously.

Conservatives are marked by a desire to return to another era. [Willam F.] Buckley wrote, "Conservatism stands athwart history yelling Stop..." But what era shall we return to? Some Conservative philosophers like Richard Weaver prefer the antebellum south while Russell Kirk seemed to admire the 17th century. The Middle Ages is a favorite for folks like John Hallowell while others would take us back to the ancient Greeks. The point is we always live in the worst of times and we would all be better off with strong authoritarian rulers like the Catholic Church, the John Calvins, or medieval Kings. And better to have no outlets available to challenge that authority.

So what is Conservatism? In the end it seems to rest on nothing more than a negative reaction to change. The author [Nash] writes that the number one enemy of Conservatism is the liberal philosophy of natural rights and civil liberties. Conservatism is about the entrenchment of power and the stratification of society. At all levels from race, to wealth, to gender, each will know his place. One writer for the National Review wrote that the white community is so entitled to lead because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. Women shall be subservient to men and men shall be subservient to the church. If there were one society in the world that best represented the ideal of Conservative society it would be the Taliban.

[Big Orange Junky]

What is it about Tennessee fans that makes them whine about the ref's incessantly?

Not whining, again it's the NFL I could care less.

I was just pointing out that in one game there was a stretch that was just awful. Worse than anything I saw out of the replacement refs. I mean how do you get a sack out of the QB beaning the defender in the head with the ball before he got to him? You can't. That's why on that one even the announcers said they were at a loss as to where that came from.

BUT I heard nary a peep on the talking head shows about it when last week they would scrutinize every play of every game looking for a hint of a missed call so they could report about how awful the replacement refs were..

That's the point.

[10ac]

Since more men than women get cancer and die from it, instead of pink ribbons, why don't women athletes wear blue jockstraps pinned to there unis?

[Professor Tiger]

I think this 1998 review of George Nash's The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America Since 1945 spoke to the roots of that sense of closure. And that was well before the Tea Party, and the populism that has driven away the diverse deep-thinkers on the order of the late messrs Buckley and Kristol. To be a bonafide spokesman for the right today a body has to hit the proper notes on ALL the biggies: taxes, abortion, small government, guns, and global warming...with no exceptions. PhDs need not apply, obviously.

Conservatives are marked by a desire to return to another era. [Willam F.] Buckley wrote, "Conservatism stands athwart history yelling Stop..." But what era shall we return to? Some Conservative philosophers like Richard Weaver prefer the antebellum south while Russell Kirk seemed to admire the 17th century. The Middle Ages is a favorite for folks like John Hallowell while others would take us back to the ancient Greeks. The point is we always live in the worst of times and we would all be better off with strong authoritarian rulers like the Catholic Church, the John Calvins, or medieval Kings. And better to have no outlets available to challenge that authority.

So what is Conservatism? In the end it seems to rest on nothing more than a negative reaction to change. The author [Nash] writes that the number one enemy of Conservatism is the liberal philosophy of natural rights and civil liberties. Conservatism is about the entrenchment of power and the stratification of society. At all levels from race, to wealth, to gender, each will know his place. One writer for the National Review wrote that the white community is so entitled to lead because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. Women shall be subservient to men and men shall be subservient to the church. If there were oneK society in the world that best represented the ideal of Conservative society it would be the Taliban.

To me, conservatism is a tendency to "conserve" the good things from the past. And there are a lot of good things from the past. Yes, there are a lot of bad things from the past that do NOT need to be conserved, like slavery and Jim Crow. That's part of the genius of the Constitution is its mechanism to accommodate change.

Conservatism tends to champion individual freedom as defined by the Constitution. Liberals tend to subordinate individual freedom to the state. If ANYBODY is Taliban-like, it's liberals. They want tell you what you are allowed to say (political correctness), what light bulbs you can buy, what religious beliefs you are allowed to practice (ask the Catholics), etc. Liberalism is far more authoritarian and doctrainnaire than conservatism.

[hedge]

I don't buy that last paragraph at all...

[Toemeesleather]

Of course you (and the MSM) don't.

[Toemeesleather]

Yet another issue the MSM chooses to be silent on.....

[Toemeesleather]

Circa 2010....


Vice President Joe Biden today will kick off the Obama administration’s “Recovery Summer,” a six-week-long push designed to highlight the jobs accompanying a surge in stimulus-funded projects to improve highways, parks, drinking water and other public works.

David Axelrod, a senior adviser to the president, said: “This summer will be the most active Recovery Act season yet, with thousands of highly-visible road, bridge, water and other infrastructure projects breaking ground across the country, giving the American people a first-hand look at the Recovery Act in their own backyards and making it crystal clear what the cost would have been of doing nothing.”