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sardis · Post by **sardis** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:05 am

We all won't be able to sleep until you come to your final conclusion...

If Mission High is as great as the article reports it to be, then there should be no worry of parents being lured by vouchers to send their kids to a more substandard school.

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:28 am

LOL. There you go with the voucher talk again. Why do you have such a hard-on for something that does not move the needle, as it relates to impacting our educational system for the better?

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:32 am

Reid, Pelosi, Boehner and Mitchell worked out a deal behind Obama's back on the debt ceiling.

Interesting read on how Obama had to deal with it.

More interesting to me is what is going to happen in 2013. Apparently whoever gets the presidency is going to have to deal with a bigger issue. Romney might understand this better than anyone and that is why he selected Paul Ryan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... print.html

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:02 am

Biden gave a speech about 2 football fields away from my house on Sunday. I wasn't at home or I would have gone to see it. Not a big fan but heck, he is the V.P. How often does a V.P. stop at podunk Ohio to give a speech?

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:09 am

Every four years? It is Ohio.

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:11 am

Bklyn wrote:Every four years? It is Ohio.

not in my neck of the woods. Cinci yea but if I was so close the secret service was driving thru our neighborhood.

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:14 am

That's kinda cool.

On the WP article, I'll read it at lunch. I'm very interested, as the NYT did a huge piece back in January or February detailing everything about the process...and how Boehner was working to get things done with POTUS and Hill Dems, then Ryan and Cantor sunk it (and Simpson Bowles came out at the same time and Obama ran to that prematurely, before he realized it was going nowhere on The Hill).

Boehner's people refused to participate in that Times piece, so I want to see what his take on the story is now, since he apparently did decide to speak to Woodward.

hedge · Post by **hedge** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:19 am

"Cinci yea but if I was so close the secret service was driving thru our neighborhood."

It would've been cool if a secret service agent had been impaled on the stakes of one of your underground tiger/neighborhood kid traps...

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:30 am

hedge wrote:"Cinci yea but if I was so close the secret service was driving thru our neighborhood."

It would've been cool if a secret service agent had been impaled on the stakes of one of your underground tiger/neighborhood kid traps...

I don't want those paranoid nuts anywhere near me.

sardis · Post by **sardis** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:34 am

You could make one of those kids a tv star...

http://health.howstuffworks.com/tv/i-wa ... about-show

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:45 am

anyone catch Romney admit that he isn't going to gut Obamacare and is going to leave certain parts of it - like pre-existing conditions?

crazy stuff

AlabamAlum · Post by **AlabamAlum** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:48 am

Obamacare was Romneycare before it was Obamacare.

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:50 am

true, but the man's platform early on was doing away with Obamacare.

Now he is just going to cherry pick Obamacare and claim he couldn't get rid of it due to legislative procedure.

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:28 am

Like I said earlier, I think Romney likes a lot of what Obama has done, he just can't say it. He makes slips all the time showing his true hand. He did it a couple of times in that Gergen interview.

Owlman · Post by **Owlman** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:56 am

I believe that what he said that he would preserve preexisting conditions for those that have been paying steadily into the system. That could leave out those that change jobs, kids coming off their parents insurance, transferring jobs etc.

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:58 pm

He mentioned preexisting conditions AND allowing kids to stay on parents' insurance "as long as they like" (or something to that effect). That last one was odd because it goes beyond what ACA does. I expect some Romney Campaign Walkbacks to occur today.

crashcourse · Post by **crashcourse** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:14 pm

good stuff from that 60 Minutes interview with the navy seal

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:16 pm

eCat wrote:Reid, Pelosi, Boehner and Mitchell worked out a deal behind Obama's back on the debt ceiling.

Interesting read on how Obama had to deal with it.

More interesting to me is what is going to happen in 2013. Apparently whoever gets the presidency is going to have to deal with a bigger issue. Romney might understand this better than anyone and that is why he selected Paul Ryan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... print.html

It was an interesting read. It went a different direction than the NYT article (which I still recommend people read if they have any interest in the Washington machine playing games with real lives). The NYT article was about all the things leading up to the crisis, while this one takes us from the crisis point forward.

The one thing the article does not do well is capture the winds of the public at this point. Did the Tea Partiers cave because of public perception of their actions? Did they do it because someone from the sane part of the party talked them down? Did they have some economics lesson at the 11th hour that told them where we were headed? Did they do it because they actually had a degree of honest and not symbolic Patriotism? I would love to read something that showed how the world was spinning behind the curtain for Ryan, Bachmann, Cantor or any of those other reps who were standing in the way of the ceiling getting raised.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:08 pm

Bklyn wrote:Every four years? It is Ohio.

True. We are a fickle bunch.

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:42 pm

Bklyn wrote:
eCat wrote:Reid, Pelosi, Boehner and Mitchell worked out a deal behind Obama's back on the debt ceiling.

Interesting read on how Obama had to deal with it.

More interesting to me is what is going to happen in 2013. Apparently whoever gets the presidency is going to have to deal with a bigger issue. Romney might understand this better than anyone and that is why he selected Paul Ryan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... print.html

It was an interesting read. It went a different direction than the NYT article (which I still recommend people read if they have any interest in the Washington machine playing games with real lives). The NYT article was about all the things leading up to the crisis, while this one takes us from the crisis point forward.

The one thing the article does not do well is capture the winds of the public at this point. Did the Tea Partiers cave because of public perception of their actions? Did they do it because someone from the sane part of the party talked them down? Did they have some economics lesson at the 11th hour that told them where we were headed? Did they do it because they actually had a degree of honest and not symbolic Patriotism? I would love to read something that showed how the world was spinning behind the curtain for Ryan, Bachmann, Cantor or any of those other reps who were standing in the way of the ceiling getting raised.

I think Boehner caved to the Tea Party but in the end he had to eat a shit sandwich because I'm sure word got back to him that Obama was going to veto the bill - which would make Obama look good to the tea partiers.

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