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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by bluetick » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:30 am

billy bob bocephus wrote:here ya go tick ... have at it...


July 11, 2012
Two Millennia of Global Cooling?
Andrew Bostom

::sigh:::

Andrew Bostom, noted conservative blogger and Associate Professor of Medicine at Brown University Medical School. He is an expert on connections between homocysteine and cardiovascular disease. He has written two books indicting Islam for rampant anti-Semitism and is an outspoken proponent of anti-sharia legislation.

Not surprising, but I never heard of him and am unaware of his expertise in climatology.

Never heard of the Johanes Gutenberg University Mainz either but it says here they don't charge tuiton or fees to their students. The range of of studies is comprehensive; although the university lacks technical studies, veterinary medicine, and nutrition science. One can nonetheless study History of Books, athletics, music, visual arts, theatre, and film.

I'll just hang with the James Hansens, NOAA, NASA, MIT/Stanford/The Ivy League, and the WMO and IPCC on matters of climate change. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading skeptic stuff from the assorted bloggers, comedians, and back-yard weatherwatchers though.
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Post by Professor Tiger » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:36 pm

I'll just hang with the James Hansens, NOAA, NASA, MIT/Stanford/The Ivy League, and the WMO and IPCC on matters of climate change.
Don't forget the esteemed researchers at the University of East Anglia, the purveyors of the most notorious of MMGW hoax thus far.
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Post by hedge » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:47 pm

Burn this shithole...
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Post by THE_WIZARD_ » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:07 pm

ok
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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by billy bob bocephus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:28 pm

bluetick wrote:
billy bob bocephus wrote:here ya go tick ... have at it...


July 11, 2012
Two Millennia of Global Cooling?
Andrew Bostom

::sigh:::

Andrew Bostom, noted conservative blogger and Associate Professor of Medicine at Brown University Medical School. He is an expert on connections between homocysteine and cardiovascular disease. He has written two books indicting Islam for rampant anti-Semitism and is an outspoken proponent of anti-sharia legislation.

Not surprising, but I never heard of him and am unaware of his expertise in climatology.

Never heard of the Johanes Gutenberg University Mainz either but it says here they don't charge tuiton or fees to their students. The range of of studies is comprehensive; although the university lacks technical studies, veterinary medicine, and nutrition science. One can nonetheless study History of Books, athletics, music, visual arts, theatre, and film.

I'll just hang with the James Hansens, NOAA, NASA, MIT/Stanford/The Ivy League, and the WMO and IPCC on matters of climate change. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading skeptic stuff from the assorted bloggers, comedians, and back-yard weatherwatchers though.

geez tick, I put a low hanging curve ball out there for you so you could question the relevance of a northern Europe forest's tree ring history compared to Mediterranean climate history...but do you question the substance of the article?...NNNNOOOOOO...you go for the author and the referenced school...too predictable especially the '::sigh:::'

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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by bluetick » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:00 pm

Sorry bbb. I've been a little overtaxed lately (npi).

Hey. I remember a July day and the temp was in the 50s - eveybody was wearing a jacket. About 14-15 years ago.

if that'll help
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Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not have fixed and firm definition. But I will leave you with this... ill-gotten and excessive wealth is like porn, you know it when you see it.
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Post by puterbac » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:46 pm

Jungle Rat wrote:That's why I hate politics so much. It's all about you and less about US as a country. We've lost the 1946 feeling.
And left wanting everybody to ask what their country can do for them....

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Post by puterbac » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:50 pm

Jungle Rat wrote:It's simple. Anything sold in America that was built with less than 80% American product gets taxed 75%. Built with entirely American parts, what ever your countys sales tax is. The key is bringing back all those jobs sent overseas. If companies that claim to be American and base themselves here are screwing out Americans from getting jobs by finding cheaper labor in India or wherever are they really American companies? Do they really care about America?

I will never vote for Romney. Ever. I would vote for puter over him. And we all know puter would gather about 8 votes nationally.

America doesn't need a phony rich guy who has played "The Game". They need someone who actually cares about his country and not his checkbook. I'm not saying Obama is Jesus. He's not although it's hard to fight someone with a hand tied to your back belt loop. But no matter who wins, until we stop this TMZ dirt shit & infighting because someone lost and focus on the people, we're not going anywhere no matter who is in charge.
Its not even that hard. Just change the laws so they at least as favorable as being off shore. The tax laws should provide incentives for biz to be here not punishments. Besides biz taxes just lead to higher prices anyway so biz really doesn't pay taxes but collect them from their customers.

Frankly I prefer what Clancy did in Debt of Honor. Simply mirror each countries trade laws. If they tax us we tax them. If they remove barriers, well so do we.

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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by puterbac » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:58 pm

bluetick wrote:The Job Creators took their tax cuts 10 years ago but unfortunately forgot to add jobs. Recently someone reminded them what the Bush tax cuts were for and they said "Oh Yeah! We Forgot!" and word is out that they're getting ready to start the process of thinking about hiring. Except oprama is going to repeal their portion of the BTCs. So now they say they will not think about hiring after all. And that really stinks.
About 48 straight months of job growth after tax cuts fully put in place in 2003.

revenue went up and not down

Deficits decreased every year from 2003 to 2007. Doesn't a 160 billion deficit for the year sound nice?

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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by puterbac » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:04 pm

The Facts About Budget Deficits: How The Presidents Truly Rank

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassm ... ruly-rank/

Please forgive me. Over and over, I hear misinformation about deficits in prior administrations, and I can’t keep quiet any longer. I have to correct the record.

The latest was on “Squawk Box” on Monday morning. Joe Kernan, the host, is interviewing former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, ex-candidate for president and chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Kernen cites campaign comments about “bad policies” going back “decades” affecting the high rate of unemployment today.

He asks, “What specific policies in the Bush Administration do you think are still being used to explain 8 percent unemployment?”

Dean responds, “The biggest ones are the deficits that were run up…. The deficits were enormous

Let’s shed some factual light on the situation by turning to table B-79 of the current Economic Report of the President. There we find the official statistics on federal spending, receipts, and deficits (or surpluses) as proportions of Gross Domestic Product. These are the figures that economists use in determining the relationship of the deficit to the overall economy, answering the question, “How much more are we spending than taking in?”

We can average the deficit-to-GDP ratio during a presidential term and get a good take on whether “deficits were enormous” in historic terms or not. The only tricky part is whether to give a president credit (or blame) for his incoming and outgoing years. For example, President Reagan took office on Jan. 20, 1980, but fiscal year 1980 started four months earlier. Similarly, he left office Jan. 20, 1989, but fiscal 1989 still had four months to run.

I decided to use three sets of calculations for each president: first, the deficit-to-GDP ratio from the fiscal year he took office to the fiscal year he left minus one (thus, for Reagan: 1981-88); second, from his first fiscal year plus one to the fiscal year he left (thus, 1982-89); and third, an average of the first two

Here are the ratios of deficit to GDP for the past five presidents:

Ronald Reagan
1981-88 4.2 %
1982-89 4.2
Average 4.2

George H. W. Bush
1989-92 4.0
1990-93 4.3
Average 4.2

Bill Clinton
1993-2000 0.8
1994-2001 0.1
Average 0.5

George W. Bush
2001-08 2.0
2002-09 3.4
Average 2.7

Barack Obama
2009-12* 9.1
2010-12 8.7
Average 8.9
*fiscal 2012 ends Sept. 30, 2012, so this figure is estimated

Source: Economic Report of the President, February 2012

The results for President Bush are skewed by the 10.1 percent deficit/GDP ratio in fiscal 2009. A large chunk of spending in that year went to the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. In fiscal 2009, TARP contributed $151 billion to the budget deficit, but in 2010 and 2011, $147 billion of that amount was recouped and thus reduced the size of the deficit during President Obama’s watch. (These calculations are complicated and are laid out by the Office of Management and Budget. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... s/spec.pdf, p. 49.)

As for spending itself, during the George W. Bush years (2001-08), federal outlays averaged 19.6 percent of GDP, a little less than during the Clinton years (1993-2000), at 19.8% and far below Reagan, whose outlays never dropped below 21 percent of GDP in any year and averaged 22.4%. Even factoring in the TARP year (2009), Bush’s average outlays as a proportion of the economy was 20.3 percent – far below Reagan and only a half-point below Clinton. As for Obama, even excluding 2009, his spending has averaged 24.1 percent of GDP – the highest level for any three years since World War II.

Americans can judge for themselves whether deficits are “enormous”– but only if they have the facts. In this case, there is no denying the order in which the last five presidents rank on the basis of deficits: Clinton, Bush 43, Bush 41 and Reagan in a virtual tie, and Obama.

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Post by Professor Tiger » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:17 pm

I'm shocked that you would post an article that affirms Clinton as the most fiscally sound president of this generation.

This is where you usually post all those funny reasons you think he doesn't deserve ANY credit for his fiscal discipline or the excellent economy we enjoyed on his watch.
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Post by Jungle Rat » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:50 pm

Puter doesn't remember what he had for lunch yesterday let alone what he posted previous to that lunch.

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Post by bluetick » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:02 am

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Deficits decreased every year from 2003 to 2007. Doesn't a 160 billion deficit for the year sound nice?
Something happened in 2007. It was in all the papers. Rhymes with 'Great Recession'..
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Post by hedge » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:13 am

"About 48 straight months of job growth after tax cuts fully put in place in 2003."

Mostly increases in government jobs under Bush, many of which Obama has cut. Seems like you'd be happy about that...
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Post by THE_WIZARD_ » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:44 am

The Clinton years were good fiscally...thank you Newt. Thank you technology boom.

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Post by Hacksaw » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:45 am

Professor Tiger wrote:I'm shocked that you would post an article that affirms Clinton as the most fiscally sound president of this generation.

This is where you usually post all those funny reasons you think he doesn't deserve ANY credit for his fiscal discipline or the excellent economy we enjoyed on his watch.
It would certainly help if anyone could ever explain what it was, exactly, that Clinton did to deserve the credit.
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Post by Hacksaw » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:45 am

hedge wrote:"About 48 straight months of job growth after tax cuts fully put in place in 2003."

Mostly increases in government jobs under Bush, many of which Obama has cut. Seems like you'd be happy about that...
LMAO...I would say you can't make this shit up, but obviously that would be wrong.
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Post by puterbac » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:21 am

Professor Tiger wrote:I'm shocked that you would post an article that affirms Clinton as the most fiscally sound president of this generation.

This is where you usually post all those funny reasons you think he doesn't deserve ANY credit for his fiscal discipline or the excellent economy we enjoyed on his watch.
Damnit PT. I've never said he doesn't deserve any credit.

Bill was pursuing liberal policies his first two years. Then '94 shellacking happened. He saw the winds changing big time and he changed with it to get re-elected.

He grudgingly signed cap gains cut and welfare reform. He signed and deserves credit for doing so. If Dems still had congress it never would have seen his desk and that would have been fine with him also.

Bill is a great politician. But There is no denying his presidency benefited from several outside factors (Just as Carter was hurt by outside factors): End of Cold war, GHWB and GW I stopping Iraq and protecting Saudi which led to low energy prices (always a plus), oppositional congress that led to spending not increasing at a fast a rate as before, and of course the big two: Internet Job boom and Y2K hiring.

Millions of high paying jobs led to millions of taxpayers paying LOTS of money to the gov. Hence the surpluses.

Do remember that in 93 or early 94 Bill's own WH office was predicting 200+ billion dollar deficits far out into the future.

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Re: Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

Post by puterbac » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:22 am

hedge wrote:"About 48 straight months of job growth after tax cuts fully put in place in 2003."

Mostly increases in government jobs under Bush, many of which Obama has cut. Seems like you'd be happy about that...
I'd love to see you back that up.

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